This is page numbers 2249 - 2288 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was airport.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Testart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This one-tenth of 1 per cent cost of living increase would be .08 per cent, the department indicated it worked with Statistics Canada to derive that statistic. Can we get some more details on the calculation done on that or a commitment to see detailed -- granted that this is perhaps not the venue for that, but can we get some detailed calculations?

That wasn't shared with committee during our study, and it's a little troubling to find out on the floor that they have quantified the exact cost when cost of living has been such a concern of committee and of the public who presented to committee. So can the Minister provide further detail or commit to providing a thorough breakdown of those numbers? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, we can supply that information how we arrived to the multiplier effect on that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I should note the household statistics seem to be lumped under one line "Transportation," is that correct or is there separate data being collected on air transportation? Did the department just multiply that transportation line and base its analysis on that or did it base its analysis on specific air costs? Thank you

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will pass that on to the deputy minister, Mr. Neudorf. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Neudorf.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Neudorf

Thank you, Mr. Chair. To clarify, it was the stats bureau in the Department of Finance that provided the information for us, and it was the average increased ticket price of $27 to $29 multiplied by the average number of times that a household would travel, which was three and a half times, on a southbound trip. So you can just take that number and work it up to the total household expenditures and you can come up with your percentage of .08.

So, in fact, it was three and a half southbound trips times $27 and divided by $124,105, which is the average Yellowknife household expenditures and it would come out to 0.08 per cent.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Neudorf. Mr. Testart, would you clarify for committee what document you are referring to?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Sorry, on the air increase? Oh, the statistics? The statistics bureau, sorry, Mr. Chair, the NWT -- I don't have the document in front of me, I'm sorry, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Okay. I'm sorry, you mentioned the line "Transportation." I assume that was from some sort of document that you were discussing. So continue your discussion.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and it's nothing that's before the House for consideration, it's merely how the bureau of statistics calculates household costs. I appreciate the comments from Mr. Neudorf.

Now, the witness has indicated that this was a breakdown of Yellowknife and I think that's prudent on one level, considering it is a cost increase to the Yellowknife Airport, but as honourable Members from smaller communities have mentioned this impacts them as well. So did the department do an analysis of the average transportation costs of someone living in Norman Wells, someone living in Inuvik, all the other communities that make frequent trips to our capital? Thank you

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We expect that this would be less for the outlying communities than 0.08 per cent. The other thing I want to mention, though, when we are talking about this 0.08 per cent of cost of living to residents of Yellowknife, this is only if you choose to fly. If you do not choose to fly, this does not impact you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Testart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I didn't so much ask for an assessment, but if the department had done that work. So did they do a cost assessment for each of our regional centres and the average household cost of travel and how it will be impacted by the increased fees of our gateway airport? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, as I said, we never did that analysis. AIF is lower for the outlying communities, and the price of tickets are higher. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Testart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

I remain unconvinced. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Next, Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I would like to just go back to the fees here for a minute. Is there any possibility, then, that these airport improvement fees are going to go down in the future? How would that be done? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister.