This is page numbers 3347 – 3406 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was going.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Deputy Minister Hagen.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As starting April 1st, our intention is to have two positions in Fort Smith, one position in Yellowknife, a position in Fort Simpson, and one position in Inuvik. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

February 22nd, 2018

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Hagen. Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think the Minister had something further to add. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Minister Sebert.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I just wanted to add that I understand the initial training will be done in Fort Smith, and also, this additional cost is not reflected in the mains. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Vanthuyne.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Actually, I will defer to other colleagues who might have questions on this department at this time. No further questions. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Vanthuyne. Next, we have Mr. Thompson.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I thank the Minister and the Deputy Minister for some clarifications here. I am going to go back to what the Minister of Finance has said in here. It says that this would help residents who hold these leases to secure in renovating and building homes, start their businesses, and contribute to the economy. It's maturing equity leases to fee simple title.

Is that exactly what we are going to be doing with these 234 leases? Is it actually going from equity leases to fee simple title? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Certainly, in the settled areas, and I am basing that on the assumption that people in those regions will want fee simple, as that will give them certainty as to ownership.

As I mentioned earlier, in the unsettled regions, we are going to have to be consulting with those Aboriginal groups that have claims or asserted claims. There is some preliminary work to be done. I am aware, of course, and I have heard from many, that people in the unsettled areas also want fee simple. I understand that. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Thompson.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I thank the Minister for that answer. I guess we just need a little bit more clarification, then, because in the budgets, it said converting mature equity leases to fee simple title. Are we converting equity leases to fee simple title, or are we not? Are we saying we have to worry about land claims that are settled here and land claims that are not settled here, and it's only going to be this area here? This needs to be clarified, because what I understood the Finance Minister to say was mature equity leases to fee simple title. That, to me, means it is going from equity leases to fee simple title. Can they please clarify that? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I certainly feel that that would be the most satisfactory resolution on this matter. I simply want Committee of the Whole to know that, in the unsettled areas, there is that additional complication. We are hoping to do that, and I am pretty sure that virtually all of those holding these leases, although I think there might be a few exceptions, will want fee simple. Assuming they want fee simple, in the settled areas, I think that is going to be fairly straight forward. It is more complicated in the unsettled areas. Perhaps I could let Mr. Hagen add to that.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Minister Sebert. Mr. Hagen.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Minister is quite correct. In the areas that have settled land claim agreements, people who hold equity leases and are in compliance with their lease can apply to have fee simple title. As we speak, there is work happening, and people are getting title. It is fairly straightforward in the settled land claim regions where the lease holder is in compliance and has no arrears.

As usual, the unsettled land claim regions are very complicated. There are even areas where it is land lease only policy. There are land withdrawals that each Aboriginal government who are negotiating have, including the Metis Nation, and there are also people who are Members of the land claim organizations who are negotiating who do not want their lease converted. They want to wait for their claim to settle, and those lands reflected then become settlement lands. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Hagen. Mr. Thompson.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I thank the deputy minister for that answer. If it was not confusing before, it is getting even more confusing. I understand the process, and I appreciate the answer. I guess my big thing is that we have 244 equity leases. People should be given the option of getting fee simple. I know in my riding a lot of people have come to me. They want fee simple title so that they can start building their homes or businesses and be able do that. That is a concern, and hopefully, with these positions moving in, we will see a better thing.

In regard to the training, are these five positions going to get trained in Fort Smith and then go out, or are these five positions going to be brought in, and then there is going to be training by satellite or by bringing them in together, but they're going to be stationed? I guess we need to get that clarified. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Perhaps I could ask that Mr. Hagen assist in responding. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Hagen.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We did have a plan that we were moving forward with over the last six months. In the last few days, it was changed on us. We have not put all of the plan totally together, but with this change of five people now, we intend to train them all in Fort Smith, where we have a lady who retired after 30 years. Her expertise is territorial and Commissioner's lands and equity leases.

We intend to train them there, perhaps for a period of three to six months, and then disperse them out to Yellowknife, Fort Simpson, and Inuvik, leaving two in Fort Smith. They will then be working on equity leases exclusively. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Hagen. Mr. Thompson.