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Tordiff

Thank you, Mr. Chair, I believe that that will be a component of the new strategy, the recalculation of the deficit. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Okay, so we are going to have a recalculated figure. That figure, can someone tell me how it is actually calculated? I know there is some sort of an inventory that the department has prepared, a condition of buildings and infrastructure changes over time. Presumably, somebody's going to have to go out and look at some of that stuff again. Can I get just a bit of a general explanation of how that figure is arrived at? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We don't have that level of detail right now, but we can get that information for the Members and committee for future references. Just for clarity, while I'm talking about the funding gap, we will be bringing out the strategy within February. It is focused on the O an M budget. I know that a lot of our communities, when they build the infrastructure, the O and M is sometimes one of the challenges, that they have to keep it maintained. For that specific question for the Member, we'll get that information, and we will get it back to the Member. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I understood that the funding review was done, when it was done, part of it was an O and M issue or problem, part of it was also a capital deficit. Am I hearing, then, that the Minister says that the document we are going to get in February is really only going to deal with the O and M side; it's not going to deal with the capital, the infrastructure deficit? Thanks, Mr. Chair. For our local governments. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister Moses.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The strategy that you will see before you is going to be also through the O and M. We will also be looking at that in the O and M budget. What we have right now is, all we're talking about is, capital. When we recognize the capital, it is on a quarterly basis. As I mentioned, one of the ways we are trying to adjust that is through some of our federal funding agreements to try to offset some of those core need infrastructure in some of the communities. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, okay. The document the Minister is going to give us is only going to deal with the O and M side. I will double check myself, but I understood that this gap also was on a capital side, and that's why I'm raising it here. I know some folks don't want us to talk about O and M, but I am talking about capital. As I understood, that municipal funding gap review also had a capital component. I look forward, if the Minister can clarify that when he provides the additional information, that will be much appreciated. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Agreed.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Next, I have Mr. McNeely.

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Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to just ask questions directly to the capital side. The O and M is coming up here, but I think I brought this up here last year, as well. On your supply management inventory requirements, if you use the water treatment plant there, in some of the communities, I'm hoping that, if it is being supplied by this company called Cortex (ph), so, if it is in fact in the contribution agreement between the department and the local government encouraging them to deal strictly with similar suppliers and making it a lot easier to interact and supply and support each other on, say, filters, for example, for the water plant.

If Deline runs out, well, then they can borrow from other neighbouring communities. Those kind of factors come into play when you have one supply chain management for the same product. Economies of scale come into factor, as well, just being more mindful of efficiency on the expenditures side of the capital that is being built in these communities. That is more of a comment that I brought out last year, and I will bring that out again.

My next comment: I agree with the Member from Yellowknife North on having arguments for our depreciated infrastructure in preparation for the next round of TFF negotiations to see if there are substantial arguments to get our gap filled with increased contributions coming from our bank or the federal government. Thank you.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. McNeely. Minister.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. To the Member's first comment there, when it comes to, I guess, like, some of the, I guess it would be, O and M materials, we do go by standard design. We work with the NWTAC. When we look at purchasing, we do group purchases so that it is available should something happen. I take the Member's comments that, when we are looking at negotiating with federal government, that we do take everything into consideration. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Next, I have Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I guess the first comment is about the glossary. When we talk about "core," could we in the future just get that put in there, in the appendix, so that we have a clear understanding of what "core" is when it comes to municipal governments? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister Moses.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We can put something in there, a definition of what the core needs are and how we use it to look at doing our funding to the communities and some of the questions that have already been asked. Yes, we can definitely do that.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I thank the Minister for providing that. Next question is: how much money are we receiving from the Build Canada Fund, which is going to the communities? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister Moses.

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Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't have that detail. I can provide it, though, to the Member. It is increased funding, and it is addressing some of the core needs that I had mentioned earlier: the roads, solid waste, those kind of things. I will get that information for the Member. Thank you.