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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. Thanks to the Minister. I look forward to seeing this draft action plan.

The carbon tax plan released by the Minister in July does not contain any information or analysis of other scenarios or approaches, including the federal backstop. The federal government just announced how funds will be redistributed in jurisdictions that do not have a federally approved scheme. It is not clear to me whether our government has actually done any analysis on the federal backstop.

Can the Minister explain whether the work on an NWT carbon tax considered other scenarios, including the federal backstop, and can he share this information with the public and Regular MLAs? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

When we released our planned approach in July of 2018, we also released the results of the engagement process. A lot of the background material is available on the Department of Finance website. We did share what the analysis of the federal backstop would be, and we know that it was going to cost residents of the Northwest Territories a lot more had we just gone and used their backstop.

It is noteworthy that the federal approach to offset in other provinces where the federal backstop is being used is quite similar to what we announced in July. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Mackenzie Delta.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in follow up to my Member's statement, I have a few questions for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister: what is the exact dollar amount, and what is the impact of these changes on the average tenant's power bill? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Member's opening comments, in his Member's statement, he is right that, over the past three years, public housing tenant power rates have been gradually increasing to adjust in line with what other households in the NWT communities are paying under the GNWT's Territorial Power Support Program. The impact from the last base rate adjustment would be approximately $36 per month for the average household, and then it was about $87 per month, considering all base rate adjustments over the last three years.

Mr. Speaker, we do face a challenge here in the Northwest Territories with the NWT Housing Corporation and the increased costs to run our programs, but utilities are a big cost of that. We are trying to find ways that we could address that, and I really appreciate the Member's comments, that these are all good goals moving forward, in his Member's statement.

I think we are on the right track. We want to work with communities' leaders so that they can be more self-reliant, be more energy conservative with how we do programs in the communities, but also ensure that we are able to sustain a lot of our housing programs and not just continuing to pay our tenants' power rates. We also have other programs that we do need to sustain throughout the NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

The Housing Corporation also intends to conserve corporation funds through this initiative. Has the corporation calculated to what extent costs have simply been passed to income security programs in the Department of Education, Culture and Employment?

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

We always try to work closely with our partners, especially within the department. We keep them apprised of how many housing tenants we have and let them know of the programs that we are doing, especially with the tenants. When these programs came into place, we directly contacted the tenants to let them know what was going on. Our local housing organizations also give that information on what we are doing moving forward, but we do keep a good communication with all of our departments right across the government with our programs and how it can possibly impact their programs that they run as well.

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, the Minister answered my next question, but I have one more here. In addition to adjusting power subsidies, what other actions is the Corporation taking to encourage energy conservation and reduce energy consumption in public housing?

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Since we've put some of this particular program in since 2015/2016 I think it's really a positive note to say that power consumption has declined by about 8 percent in the communities. That means our tenants are becoming more aware of their usage as well as, like I said earlier, trying to be more conservative on their energy and also a little bit more self-reliant, but also understand that we've got other programs that we've got to sustain within the NWT Housing Corporation.

I do have a list of some of the programs that we have done in this area: we invest in energy efficient building practices, and that's well-known with the work that we've done with IRC as well as other Indigenous governments over the last couple years; alternative energy products, such as solar panels in some of the communities; solar hot water; district heating; LED lighting; home ownership programs that do promote energy efficiencies. As we look at constructing new homes, we always look at making them as energy efficient as possible. So we've taken a turn and we're going to continue to do that with future bills and also promote that with our partners as they're looking at building infrastructure in their communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh.

Question 453-18(2): Rights-Based Cabins
Oral Questions

October 25th, 2018

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last couple days, I've been asking the Minister of Lands some questions about the process here. So, in this House, he talked about IGOs can identify which cabins are rights-based cabins. Can the Minister please advise what he and the Department mean by "rights-based cabins"? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Lands.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we know, there are many structures on the public lands that are administered by this government. That's why we're engaging with Indigenous governments at this time to determine how we can find out how many there are and on what basis the claims that they are rights-based are made.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

I think I've heard that a number of times. I've asked the Minister: what do they mean by "rights-based cabins"? That's all I'm trying to ask. What's their definition, or how are they getting this information out there? I'd like to know what that means.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

As I mentioned earlier, there are a great number of cabins and camps out there, rights-based ones, that would be ones that are associated with an Aboriginal right to have the cabin or camp, so that's what we're looking into at this time. We really don't know how many there are out there. That's why we're engaging with the Aboriginal groups throughout the Northwest Territories.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

That really didn't answer my question; it says how many cabins out there, and they're looking at it, and that. Again: does the Department have a definition that they can use that says "rights-based cabins" and how they check it off and say, yeah, it's used for hunting, it's used for trapping, is it used for this. Do they have a definition of how they make that decision?

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

We are dealing with this exact issue in our consultation with Indigenous groups throughout the Northwest Territories. Some of the conditions that we might see as important are Indigenous ownership located within an area where persons of that heritage have established or asserted rights, an assertion by the owner of the cabin or camp of his Aboriginal rights. So those are some of the basic things we're going to be looking at as we engage with Aboriginal groups throughout the Northwest Territories.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I greatly appreciate the Minister's answer in helping us understand it a little bit better. So, my last question here is: once these cabins are classified as rights-based cabins, I believe this is stage 1 or whatever stage it is in, is this the end of the process for Indigenous cabin owners? They're fearing that they're going to see their cabins be targeted for potential lease fees in the future.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Those are issues that certainly will have to be determined. Once we find out how many of the cabins are actually rights-based, we will be dealing with those additional issues, also. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Item 8, written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to Commissioner's opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports on standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Minister of Health and Social Services.

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following three documents entitled, "Government of the Northwest Territories Disability Action Plan 2018-2019 to 2021-2022," "Northern Public Affairs, Volume 6, Special Issue No.1 2018: The Pan-Territorial On-the-Land Summit," and the "Northwest Territories Oral Health Action Plan 2018-2019 to 2020-2021." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Minister of Justice.

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that, on Monday, October 29, 2018, I will move that Bill 29, An Act to Amend the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.