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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I am not sure what the deputy minister means by having to detail industrial activities and getting the contractor to do more modelling work. That is all fine and dandy, but, meanwhile, the caribou herd continues to decline. Most importantly, there is not one cent of new money in the budget for the caribou crisis. Why is there no new money in the budget for the caribou crisis? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We recognize the severity of the declining caribou herd. We heard it throughout our tour of the Tlicho, and we heard it from the Yellowknives, as well. I have instructed the department, as I was responding. I have directed the department to come up with a plan to address a lot of the issues that we have heard about. I think in response to an oral question before, I said that we are looking at trying to have this work done as quickly as possible and have it come forward in the form of a supplemental if need be. On top of the ongoing work that we do as part of our regular budgeting process on the caribou, I have directed the department to look for additional funding, have put in a request for additional funding, to expand on the work of the caribou, so we would like to see that come forward here in the form of a supplemental sometime during the life of this Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, I really look forward to seeing what this supplemental looks like, but the plan doesn't actually require new money to do some of the things that are already set out in there. Offsetting, mobile caribou conservation measures, I don't think that that actually requires a lot of money to do, so when is the department going to start doing some work on protection of habitat instead of just concentrating on wolves and harvesters? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We are doing a lot of work in this particular area. Wolves and harvesters are just part of the work that we are doing. Those seem to be the ones that are highlighted all the time, so those are the ones that would get the most attention, but there is a lot of work that goes on as part of our regular work within the management of caribou. I am going to, through you, Mr. Chair, go to Dr. Dragon to give us an explanation of some of the work that we have ongoing. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Dr. Dragon.

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Dr. Dragon

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just thought that I would go through the next steps of what we look to do with the range plan so that the Members can understand the process of what needs to be done. We are going to have a "what we heard" document for all of the consultation that we have been doing with our Indigenous government partners and a decision paper by the end of this fiscal year. It is imminent, as I mentioned. One of the things that we have to do with that range plan, because we are in the Wek'eezhii area is that we have to go to the Wek'eezhii Renewable Resources Board for review, as per section 12.5 of the Tlicho agreement, and to also provide the proposed range plan to standing committee.

In terms of recommendations, we are looking at a number of recommendations within that plan, intensifying project mitigation as cumulative disturbance increases, and that is one of the areas where I thought that we needed to have a look at any new development that is being put into play. We are looking at transmission lines. We are looking at any new Terra X development. Anything that is current, we put in that plan so that we can make a really good decision on the plan. Again, this includes thresholds for limiting development under existing disturbances and making sure that they are restored.

We are also looking at the conservation of the Bathurst caribou calving and post-calving grounds and important water crossings and land crossings. As the Member mentioned, also, more mobile caribou conservation measures, so looking at the core areas within the Bathurst caribou zone, managing roads and traffic, and adding patches of unburnt forest in the winter range to our values at risk. That is another initiative that we are doing, along with the wolves, is we are looking at how we are currently addressing forest fire in the Bathurst range. Right now, unfortunately, with the herd that they are in terms of the size, at 8,200 animals, they are right now not really in any of the forested areas. They are more above the treeline. Unfortunately, right now, with their numbers, we don't see a lot of them within the treeline.

We are going to return to Cabinet after, with the results of the WRB conversation, the SCEDE review, and then we will request the final approval of the range plan. Then we will move into the implementation phase of that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the description of that, but I guess I am worried that, by the time we get through all of those steps, there may not be any caribou left. $150,000 was cut from boreal caribou monitoring in last year's budget. The Minister said that there was going to be additional funding on the way to make up for that. Our requirements for boreal caribou continue to increase. We have to have a recovery strategy. There is going to be more monitoring required as a result of the Tlicho all-season road. Where is the money for boreal caribou work? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We want to do a thorough job on the work that we do, and we don't have much choice. We can't make a unilateral decision. We have committed to working with our Aboriginal partners on trying to move this forward. Again, credit to our Aboriginal partners; they recognize that this is a serious issue, and they want to move forward as well. I think it is going to carry a lot more weight, and it is going to go a lot further in partnership with the Aboriginal governments.

As far as the boreal caribou, in responding to questions from the Member for Yellowknife North during oral questions earlier this afternoon, I did mention that we are looking at possibly making some type of an announcement here shortly.

I take the Member's point. I remember distinctly last year saying that the $150,000 was going to be eliminated, but we are working with Canada to try to secure some funding. My understanding is that within the next few days year, or during the life of this session, we should be able to make an announcement to address the concerns that the Member is raising. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Next, I have Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In regard to this section here, bison management control and developing plans there, can the Minister advise: have they been looking at the herd around Fort Liard and Nahanni Butte? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In the Member's riding, a draft Nahanni bison management plan has been revised following an internal ENR review, and it will go out for a broader GNWT review. In the Nahanni population, currently, there are seven male tags only available, and once the population has reached 1,000 animals, a male-only harvest of between 1 to 2 percent could be implemented, as per the management plan. I think that the short answer to the Member's question is yes, we are looking at three different herds of bison in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. He said three herds. The three herds are by Fort Providence, Fort Smith, and the Fort Liard and Nahanni Butte area? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have the Mackenzie Population. I guess that would be by Fort Providence. The Nahanni Population would be in Fort Smith, and then we have the Slave River Lowlands Population. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. I am assuming that the Nahanni Population is by Nahanni Butte and Fort Liard. Correct? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, I think that they all decided to move to a safer location. No, I don't think that the Member was going to give up until I gave him the actual information. The Nahanni Population is the Nahanni Butte population, and the Slave River Lowlands is Fort Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chair.