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Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I will start on the revenue side. On the revenue side, there are a lot of similarities, as one would expect, given that the federal government set the criteria of how the carbon tax should be implemented and had jurisdiction that wanted to do their own, develop their plans, and then, had to check against the federal approach to make sure there is at least a level of consistency.

The one area that is different is related to the large emitters and their output-based pricing system, and we have had discussions about that with committee.

On the expenditure side, we have come up with an approach around offsets and rebates that reflect more of what the northern context is. For example, the heating fuel one is a big issue, as the Minister talked about in our small communities. Also, the way we are doing the cost of living offset, so it will be a quarterly payment rather than waiting for in other jurisdictions in the south, you would actually get that back as part of your income tax filing, so it would come once a year as opposed to quarterly. That has a huge impact on people's cash flow as they are trying to pay bills and those sorts of things.

To answer the question directly, no, I wouldn't be able to produce a very specific example of where those differences are, but what we have tried to do in the plain language summary is say, "This is what the feds are doing elsewhere, and we can't know for sure what they would do in the Northwest Territories if they were forced to impose, but they would make those decisions." Thanks, Mr. Chair

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you. In response to the questions from the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh, the Minister made comments to the effect that we would repeal the carbon tax if the federal government scrapped the approach.

I would like to ask the Minister why he is so certain. That sounds like a decision made for the next government, and we have had a whole sitting here where Ministers are telling us that some decisions are left to the next government. Why is the Minister so confident that the next government will scrap the carbon tax once it is in place? I don't know how he is able to make those kind of decisions for a future government. Can he clarify those comments? Thank you.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. You know, I speak Beaudel English, but I still don't think that I need an interpreter. I said that I would assume that the next government coming in would repeal the legislation if the federal legislation approves our appeal. I said I would assume that they would, based on the effect that it is having on of people in the Northwest Territories. It was an assumption, and they would make that decision. Thank you.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Nothing further. Does committee agree that we move into clause-by-clause consideration of the bill?

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Agreed.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. We will consider the bill number and title after consideration of the clauses. Please turn to page 1 of the bill. I will call out each clause. If committee agrees, please respond accordingly. Clause 1.

---Clauses 1 through 7 inclusive approved

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Clause 8. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I do have some questions on clause 8. There is provision in this clause for a rebate of carbon tax. It says that the Minister may, in accordance with the regulations, provide a rebate. Also, in 2.3, large emitters are to be, I guess, defined by regulation, and grants can be prescribed by regulation. Firstly, there is no definition of what a large emitter is in the bill. What is a large emitter? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Stewart.

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Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. The large emitter definition will be in the regulations, and it is consistent with what the federal government has done, which I believe is 50 kilotons of emissions or higher. My understanding is that we have four of those in the Northwest Territories, based on the federal data that I have seen. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. How are the regulations going to be put together? Is there going to be any opportunity for the public, industry, large emitters, to comment on the regulations in draft form? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Stewart.

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Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Some of the regulations are going to need to be put together fairly quickly. I think that we have committed to share those as we develop them. We certainly have been talking with stakeholders about some of the more program elements, like the individual trusts and what the criteria may be around that. We will share the detail on those with committee, as well. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Well, that is kind of interesting. Committee is not going to exist in about 10 to 12 days. How can this be shared with committee when committee is only going to be around until August 31st? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Stewart.

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Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. The specifics of what I was referring to, in terms of sharing with committee, are things like the individual trust for the large emitters and some of the criteria, and I assume that would be done with the standing committees of the 19th Assembly. There is no real urgency in terms of implementing the trust program. Yes, we will have to collect the data, but in terms of taking applications and that, I think that we have a little bit of time to get that implemented. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I am a bit surprised to hear that some details of these regulations may have already been shared with outside interests or parties. Can that be confirmed, and what sort of level of detail are we talking about? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, the regulations haven't been shared. Thank you.

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.