Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.
Debates of Feb. 11th, 2020
This is page numbers 79 - 104 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.
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Question 53-19(2): Application of Medical Travel Policy
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Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![Caitlin Cleveland](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-caitlin-cleveland/ac50ed897bb54525debd9e7fe6c2c8c1.jpg)
Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. Long-range energy plans, community land use, and community wellness plans are completed independently, as are economic development and resource management strategies. Will the Minister commit to working with her colleagues to bring these planning exercises together and complete all communities within the 19th Legislative Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![The Speaker](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-frederick-blake/df6fbbdbf440ea9f1e8f7b8eb6e1f326.jpg)
The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.
Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![Paulie Chinna](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-paulie-chinna/9ef8d6b2404eb7c05c351e7103e41ba1.jpg)
Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can work with my Cabinet colleagues to have the discussion, but I cannot commit that all 33 community plans will be completed within the four years. Also, I will continue the conversation with Cabinet going forward, because, looking at those community plans, Indigenous partnership is my priority going forward, to offer adequate housing throughout the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![Caitlin Cleveland](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-caitlin-cleveland/ac50ed897bb54525debd9e7fe6c2c8c1.jpg)
Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
I appreciate the Minister's commitment to have the discussion. My next question is: do the long-range housing plans currently done by the Housing Corporation account for the changing demographics of an aging population in each community in the NWT, especially as it relates to women, women with children, people with disabilities, and elders?
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![Caitlin Cleveland](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-caitlin-cleveland/ac50ed897bb54525debd9e7fe6c2c8c1.jpg)
Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
I'm wondering if the current housing plans for the NWT Housing Corporation include the changing demographics of our population, particularly age, and also as it relates to women, women with children, people with disabilities, and elders?
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![Paulie Chinna](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-paulie-chinna/9ef8d6b2404eb7c05c351e7103e41ba1.jpg)
Paulie Chinna Sahtu
The Northwest Territories does recognize there is an increase of population throughout the territory. We have identified programs to deal with the increase of population and the unique scenarios that we acquire throughout the Northwest Territories, and wanting to look at seniors aging in place and a safe program that provides renovations to clients who are homeowners, private homeowners, and looking at replacement of fuel tanks. I would also like to include that we do have a rent subsidy program that is used throughout Yellowknife, throughout this area, because of the lack of public housing units that we do have currently.
Going forward, I would like to work with the Member to look at initiatives for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. We can elaborate on program improvement.
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![Caitlin Cleveland](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-caitlin-cleveland/ac50ed897bb54525debd9e7fe6c2c8c1.jpg)
Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
I am always ready to have a conversation about housing, so I appreciate that. Is the Minister prepared to work with communities and Indigenous governments to re-examine the definition of core housing and develop metrics of success appropriate to the challenges that we face in the 21st century?
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![Paulie Chinna](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-paulie-chinna/9ef8d6b2404eb7c05c351e7103e41ba1.jpg)
Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Housing throughout the Northwest Territories is something that I am very passionate about, and throughout the term and the time being within the portfolio, I was really excited to hear that one of my communities in the Sahtu, Fort Good Hope, has entered into an agreement, and they were able to establish housing programs independently accessing federal dollars.
Going forward, I will be looking at the housing initiative programs that are currently offered, and one of the things that I would like to do is elaborate on them. Advertisement is a key for me and for the Housing Corporation, so that we are able to meet the needs of the people of the Northwest Territories.
Also, reflecting and looking at the housing plans, I am quite excited for those to be completed. We do have 33 communities, but those community plans, housing strategic plans, will be able to identify the housing needs throughout the Northwest Territories. It is community-based information where the community is telling us what it is that they need. We, as a government, can provide the assistance and work in partnership with the Indigenous groups and with the communities.
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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![Caitlin Cleveland](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-caitlin-cleveland/ac50ed897bb54525debd9e7fe6c2c8c1.jpg)
Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yellowknife housing is becoming ever less affordable. How will the Minister improve the affordability of housing in Yellowknife over the course of the 19th Legislative Assembly? Thank you.
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![Paulie Chinna](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-paulie-chinna/9ef8d6b2404eb7c05c351e7103e41ba1.jpg)
Paulie Chinna Sahtu
I would like to elaborate on the housing programs that are offered currently. For the Yellowknife area, I would look at the rent subsidy program that is offered. There is a name change to that. We will continue to be offering it after April 1st. I would like to work with a colleague and just elaborate a little bit more on the programs that are offered for Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 54-19(2): Community Housing Plans
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Question 55-19(2): Colville Lake Self-Government Negotiations
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![Rylund Johnson](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-rylund-johnson/e2e9440ec8ad7298f34aac806f1c7037.jpg)
Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Previously in this Assembly, I tabled a letter from the chief of Colville Lake, once again asking the GNWT to leave the negotiating table so that Canada and that nation can reach a bilateral self-government agreement. My question is to the honourable Premier. Have our negotiators been provided updated mandates at the negotiating table?
Question 55-19(2): Colville Lake Self-Government Negotiations
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Question 55-19(2): Colville Lake Self-Government Negotiations
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![Caroline Cochrane](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-caroline-cochrane/94cab4d8d45e787ffa4c1c33c91d0d6b.jpg)
Caroline Cochrane Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mandate direction on negotiating tables change quite often. They are based on what we think will happen. Anything that has a change, if it is going to impact finances or land or anything, it has to come through Cabinet. It's not a decision that negotiators can make at the table. I know that a lot of people think that it should be, but the reality is that, if it costs money, it has to come through Cabinet table. They are constantly being updated on a regular basis. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 55-19(2): Colville Lake Self-Government Negotiations
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![Rylund Johnson](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-rylund-johnson/e2e9440ec8ad7298f34aac806f1c7037.jpg)
Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
We have consistently heard from a number of Indigenous governments that the unilateral imposition of our government's core principles and objectives in regard to self-government negotiations has become a barrier. My question is for the honourable Premier. Have we updated our core principles and objectives in regard to self-government?
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![Caroline Cochrane](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-caroline-cochrane/94cab4d8d45e787ffa4c1c33c91d0d6b.jpg)
Caroline Cochrane Range Lake
No, it has been quite a while, actually, since we updated our core principles and objectives. They actually arose from an obligation from the Tlicho agreement, is where they came from. They are actually very simple. They are very simple principles, and our issue is that there has to be some kind of standard of care or principles that go across. It's not as easy as just changing them to meet the whim. We also have to take Canada's legislation, as well. For example, the Canada Health Act has principles that need to be taken into account. The new Canada legislation that is coming out with Child and Family Services has principles and standards that have to be taken into consideration. Although we want to work closely with our Indigenous governments, and we are looking at a new way of doing business, we can't forget that there are three parties at this table, often, with the negotiations: the Northwest Territories, the Indigenous government, and Canada.
Question 55-19(2): Colville Lake Self-Government Negotiations
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![Rylund Johnson](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-rylund-johnson/e2e9440ec8ad7298f34aac806f1c7037.jpg)
Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
I am well-aware that there are three parties at the table, and to not update our core principles and objectives because there are federal government issues seems to miss the point, and that is the federal government's whole purpose being at the table. My question is for the honourable Premier. Are we willing to reopen our core principles and objectives and negotiate them with Indigenous governments, considering our commitment to implement UNDRIP?
Question 55-19(2): Colville Lake Self-Government Negotiations
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![Caroline Cochrane](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-caroline-cochrane/94cab4d8d45e787ffa4c1c33c91d0d6b.jpg)
Caroline Cochrane Range Lake
During the Member's opening speech, I heard him say -- and I might misquote him, so correct me if I do -- that there are two kinds of workers; one that works for the government, government workers who get a lot of CCs. Now that I'm Premier, I get a lot of CCs, in all honesty. I wish I didn't get as many. Then there's ones who work for the goals of the government.
I came in here four years ago to actually make change, and it shows that I make changes. These wrinkles that I have on my face did not come honestly; they came from hard work at this table. I have already met with Indigenous governments. I am changing the way that I do practice. I called them all when I first started. I am meeting with them. We are switching up even the way we seat. It used to be them against us, and now we're sitting as a group. I have changed up our bilaterals. I have scared them all. I've said, "After our bilaterals are done, let's, the chief and I, sit together and talk about the negotiations, what's going on, what's happening." It's scary for them as well. They don't know where this Premier is coming from.
The point is, is that this Premier is looking for change. We have been going on some of these negotiations 30-some years, and government-to-government does not mean, to me, federal government, territorial government, and, at the bottom, Indigenous government. Government-to-government, to me, means, federal government, NWT, and Indigenous government all working together at the same level.
Yes, I am totally open to changing whatever we need to do to work better with Indigenous governments and to work towards self-government and land claims agreements. That is my ultimate goal, and I will forgive the House for any extra wrinkles that I get because of trying to achieve my goal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 55-19(2): Colville Lake Self-Government Negotiations
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![The Speaker](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-frederick-blake/df6fbbdbf440ea9f1e8f7b8eb6e1f326.jpg)
The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.
Thank you, honourable Premier. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.
Question 56-19(2): Cantung Mine Surface Lease
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![Kevin O'Reilly](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-kevin-oreilly/9bfae2cdd82919f013a97e23d5d3e4bf.jpg)
Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Merci, monsieur le President. Forgive me if I look like a prune today, but I want to go back to the issue of the Cantung Mine and Mactung that I raised yesterday. My questions are for the Minister of Lands today, though. GNWT had a surface lease covering the Cantung Mine as a result of devolution. I would like to know whether we have turned that back to the federal government now. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
Question 56-19(2): Cantung Mine Surface Lease
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Question 56-19(2): Cantung Mine Surface Lease
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![Shane Thompson](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/19-shane-thompson/c47e21a8b5f882194e88ee703fc62fe8.jpg)
Shane Thompson Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Canada is fully responsible for the administration of all surface leases and reserves that exist on the Cantung site, including inspections. Administrative arrangements at Cantung are now consistent with other federally managed waste sites under the devolution agreement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.