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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Madam Premier. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Going back to this report, it's 54 pages long. It was undertaken with a multi-stakeholder group who have responsibility for seniors. I feel that it is a very robust document, and as I have already said, I would really discourage the government from spending the time and money to do a second gap analysis. I really urge you to consider what you have in mind in light of the work that has already been done.

The next thing I want to ask about is helping to protect seniors from abuse and neglect. It's my understanding that the Government of Canada is looking at changes to the criminal code that will make elder abuse a specific crime. That's at that level, which we are not at, but I'm trying to understand what "Review and implement regulatory and service delivery changes required to protect seniors," I'm trying to understand what that point means. Maybe if you have an example, it would help me to understand it better. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife Centre. Madam Premier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Just one minute. Sorry, Madam Chair. If my deputy minister can answer that question?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Deputy Minister Goldney.

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Goldney

Thank you, Madam Chair. I apologize if I don't get this exactly right, because I think we're all a little tired at this point in the day. My recollection of those discussions was really recognition that we could be doing more with our programs to ensure that there are the appropriate safeguards in place. We have heard reports, for example, of programs related to the provision of home heating fuel subsidies and making sure that we have those designs so they're not as prone to potential abuse by family members who might be taking advantage of elders. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Goldney. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. That makes sense to me that there is some safeguarding around our own programming. I'm just going to finish here with a comment. It has been my experience from the elders in my life that their lives can change dramatically almost overnight. They can fall and break a hip, and they go from living independently to needing some kind of sustained care right away. There's just no time to lose. They end up going to hospital, which is a really expensive alternative for them, and also one that has a lot of risks attached to it.

What I'm asking for with respect to enabling seniors to age in place, in all respects, is a great deal of flexibility in the programming, so that when seniors' circumstances change, their needs are met on an expedited basis; that they don't end up having to wait months and years for a solution that fits their new circumstances. With all of the program offerings, the fact that life changes rapidly for seniors sometimes is something that needs to be considered so that we can respond to them as quickly as possible. I have nothing further. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife Centre. Madam Premier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I agree. We do need to be flexible in our programs, and I am hoping that that's kind of covered within service delivery changes required to protect seniors, but also as Mr. Goldney had stated, we need to make sure that our seniors are safe from financial abuse. That's why one of the actions is to make a separate income assistance program specifically designed for seniors and people with disabilities. Again, they are some of our most marginalized populations. If the systems aren't working as they are, then we need to change the systems. We need to stop putting people in boxes and say, "You need to work with the system"; we need to change systems for people. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Madam Premier. I will move on to Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in regard to increase in seniors home heating, we have been having a little bit of issues in regard to my home community with the fuel and the amount they're allotted. I'm just wondering, with the increases in that, people are wanting wood as well. Is the department willing to start looking at, when the increases come, being able to use it for wood or fuel? That's what I've been asked. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Madam Premier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Because we have a new education Minister, it would be his decision. I will make the education Minister make a decision on that. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Madam Premier. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll look into it. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you. Your dad told me to ask you that question. No, thank you. For single-door units in Tuktoyaktuk, I have houses in Tuktoyaktuk that have one single door. No safety, no back door; you're going to jump out the window. I have some elders in units like that. With that being said, the safety aspect of that, housing should not be building any more single-door units and putting elders there. It's not safe. If you're going to do that with ramps and stuff, are you going to be doing that on some of the units that you do have? How does that work now? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Madam Premier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will let the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation address whether she's going to do single doors or not anymore. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Madam Premier. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I would like to confirm that, right now, the Housing Corporation is reviewing that and looking at constructing units that are disability accessible. We would end up having ramps, and then widening the entrances and the doors. The one-door entrance units, that is something that I will also address, as well, too.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. In regard to creating the new income assistance program tailored to seniors and persons with disabilities, how does that work with increasing? It should not be decreased; it should be increased for that. That's happening in 2022. Is there another study going on? How is that going to work? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Madam Premier.