Thank you, Madam Chair. The other thing would be, too, just so that it is out there, and I know that some of the conversations that we are having today is kind of helping to help the departments with ideas. I know that, when we are bringing up casuals or terms, because that is what usually ends up happening, especially in my region. I was a hiring manager, so this was the reality to have people to take care of patients. The permanent staff, again, were very frustrated, because they couldn't get their holiday. You work, and if you have been there for 20 years, I think it is after seven years, you can get up to six weeks of vacation time, but you are very limited on when you can use it. A lot of these people are permanent, so it is like, "I can give you two weeks or three weeks in the summer. You can't use any more than that." Sometimes, it means, "We don't have any staff. You are not getting holidays," but you are permanent. Then we have casuals, terms, who can pick and choose when they want to come, and we have no control over that. Then, when they are here for a period of time, like, if they are a one-year term, they will get the training allowance. They will get this, and they will get that.

People who are signed on permanently don't get any more perks; they actually get less. These people are being flown in and out. It is almost like you get a free VTA if you stay as a term or a locum. You are getting a VTA all the time. We don't do VTAs, but this is the way that we need to have staff to take care of our residents. Permanents don't get to travel in and out. They get their northern living allowance on their paycheque, like everyone else. So do the terms; they get their northern living allowance. There is not a lot of strength in saying, "You are essential, and you are important. We need to make sure to keep you permanent." When I became a manager, when they were leaving, they were actually living in my community, but they were doing terms because they were like, "At least I can get holidays, and I can pick and choose. I don't have to work Christmas. I don't have to work the summer. I don't have to work spring break when my kids are off." We don't need this kind of a system, and I don't know how we are going to fix that, because I know there is going to be union involved, but I really think that that needs to be looked at. Thank you, Madam Chair.