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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am aware of a number of Indigenous leaders who have directed their citizens to not pay their lease fees, whether it be equity or otherwise. Can I have the Minister update me on the department's current approach to lease fees when a person has been directed by their leadership to not pay them?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister of Lands.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. There are rights-based cabins. We are working with Indigenous governments to identify the rights-based cabins. If people are out there saying, "Don't pay it," I would strongly encourage their leadership and the residents of the Northwest Territories to pay their lease fees moving forward. Again, if they feel that they have rights-based cabins, please identify that with us, and we are willing to work with them. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. One of my concerns is that all are a number of rights-based cabins. There are even people's houses within municipal boundaries who are being directed by their leadership to not pay the fees. I question why this is being dealt with in the Department of Lands. My question is: if we are going to have true nation-to-nation relationships and Indigenous governments are taking a position to not pay lease fees, is this not something that would be better suited and dealt with by Executive and Indigenous Affairs?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister of Lands.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. It is a legal agreement. It is a document signed by people, so it is a legal document. If it is a rights-based cabin, we are asking people to identify that. If it is part of the process that they are working on with EIA, that is something that their leadership needs to work on with them. With Lands, we have a legal agreement with our residents of the Northwest Territories, and we need to follow this agreement. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. If someone comes forward and identifies that it is a rights-based cabin, do we then not charge them lease fees?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister of Lands.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. Right now, it is something that we are working through. We have actually made a commitment that we are putting it to the side right now. We are working through it. We want people to identify rights-based cabins. Then we put it aside, and then we will work on that later on, because we have other issues that we are trying to deal with. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. It appears that was a no. I guess my question is: if someone comes forward and identifies a rights-based cabin, we are going to put it aside, but we are going to continue to charge them? I know a number of people have been receiving letters in the territory. Would the Minister be willing to, once something is identified as a rights-based cabin, remove the lease fees related to it?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister of Lands.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. I think I am going to get my assistant deputy minister to elaborate further on this because I guess I am not getting the message clearly out there. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Mr. Baetz.

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Baetz

Thank you, Madam Chair. I think one of the challenges that we are facing at the moment is something as simple as clearly defining what a rights-based cabin is. I think depending on where you are in the territories, whether you are in the southern part or whether you are in the far northern part, different people have different ideas of what a rights-based cabin or what a rights-based camp is. We are currently working with other government departments to try to begin a process where we can help define. I think there is also some important work that is coming up in terms of working with other Indigenous organization to help us define what a rights-based cabin is so that we have a logical and methodical approach going forward.

Some cabin owners are entered into a lease with the GNWT. That, I think, is what the Minister was referring to with respect to a legal contract that people have entered into with the GNWT, that we are trying to ensure that we can hold people to or hold people to account for the commitment that has been made with respect to the lease that they have entered into. Thank you, Madam Chair

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Baetz. Minister of Lands.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. Also, people have to understand that there is a difference between land lease fees and taxation issues. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I do understand that there is a difference between land lease fees and taxation. I guess my concern here is we have the Department of Lands acknowledging that there are rights-based cabins and then continuing to charge those people fees. I really don't think that this is the purview of the Department of Lands. I think this is a matter of Executive and Indigenous Affairs. One of the problems is we have seen land administration continue to be a colonial tool where we enforce these policies without looking at the larger picture, that Indigenous nations are saying, "No, these are rights-based, and we do not have to fall under the control of the Department of Lands." I would like to move on. We will continue this conversation. My question is: is the Minister of Lands willing to review the lease-only policy within municipal boundaries?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister of Lands.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. Real simple: yes.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate that "yes." I guess my next question is: when can we expect to see the public lands act in force? I am very happy that we are finally getting one type of land, public land, in the Northwest Territories, but when can we see those regulations developed and the public land act in force?