Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, it strikes me quite interesting that -- or it strikes me quite hard that one of the biggest uncertainties in the Northwest Territories is housing, even for the Housing Corporation, how to operate, how to build new houses, how to maintain existing ones. And so I'm wondering if there is a plan within the Housing Corporation, either within the GNWT or within the federal government, to create more certainty for the budgets going forward, because there is a huge amount of fluctuation and a huge amount of uncertainty within the corporation as to how they're going to not only maintain houses, build new ones, but also house the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of Housing.

Thank you, Madam Chair. The corporation works very -- I want to say extensively with the Indigenous groups and with the smaller communities as well, and looking at businesses that may be able to help us bring and house the people in the Northwest Territories. But not only that, but also looking at the homeownership opportunities within the Northwest Territories. I know that core need really, it stands out there; it's strong. But there's the -- also the - the -- I guess I want to say the main -- to maintain and I guess the opportunity of, you know, how does the corporation end up looking at those -- the funding coming forward for these units and then also supplying and being able to operate and maintain and putting in new units on the ground. Looking at the core need throughout the Northwest Territories, I just -- you know, it varies throughout which region that you're actually living in, and it's -- for me, it becomes quite -- it's quite extensive. I'll have President Young elaborate. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Just in regards to time, I'm going to move on to the next. Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Madam Chair. You know, when I look at all these retrofits, there are different values of dollars allocated to each community. You could have 23 units, say, out of Hay River, and it's only valued at a certain amount but you can have one unit that matches that. When you don't have the allocations by community within this detail, I find that very disturbing. I think that to be more accountable and transparent with these -- with the way it's listed here on the project listing, it has to be more -- there has to be more detail by community and the allocations and the total allocations with the retrofits. I think that's -- it's only fair to all of us who are representing communities and to see exactly where the money is going and the retrofits that are going to go to those communities by allocation. And I don't see that in this -- in the detail. So I don't know how we can correct these kind of things. I'm very much about numbers, always have been, and try to ask the questions so that accountability and transparency is upheld. And I don't see that here. So, like, I'd like to ask, I guess, Madam Chair, that I'd like to know the allocation for the 12 units out of Fort Smith.

Thank you. Thank you. Minister Chinna.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't have that detail in front of me that's allocated for the -- in the dollar amount for each of the communities. I can get back to the Member with those -- with that information. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Thebacha.

Well, you know, how could you pass a capital budget with -- without the detail, especially when we're so compassionate about housing. You know, I have people out of Fort Smith who have been trying since -- for over a year now, since 2019, since 2020, July, to -- the same people are still trying to get into public housing and they still haven't got public housing, yet there's 12 units that are -- that are vacant in Fort Smith. There just seems to be a disconnect in gaps that are not being filled. I'm happy that we have an incredible board that has been put in place now. But the work still has to continue. This is winter. I've had a couple this week that had to go into a women's shelter because of housing, and these are people who are -- have mobility problems, and it's a major, major, major problem. And sometimes I feel that -- and every day almost, I send an email about these -- these four different cases that I've been dealing with for quite some time. And I feel that many times I'm being ignored. And as an MLA for constituents that I deeply care about, especially the impoverished people, and it's disturbing that I have to say these things during budget time. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Madam Chair. And I hear the Member about, you know, about the allocations and the waitlist, and it's something that we -- we have throughout the Northwest Territories as well, and it just -- you know, the certain amount of units that we do have and the amount of waitlists, people on the waitlist, it just doesn't balance. We're always - you know, we need -- we need more housing. That's what we need. And to get these repairs done faster, more faster than later, I guess, and then whatever to making sure that we do have housing available in the smaller communities.

But I just want to go back to the dollar amount. I'm -- just my apologies as well, that my staff did have that -- that amount ready. So I just would like to have Vice-President Martin respond. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member. Vice-President Martin.

Thank you, Vice-President Martin. Member for Thebacha.

So, Madam Chair, my next question is what is the total amount for -- I'm not sure if someone asked that question before, the total amount that we're using for retrofits in this budget. Is the -- is it the large capital projects or the small capital projects on those two lines, or is it the total?

Thank you, Member. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. That's total. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Member for Thebacha.

So that's what I'm trying to get at, okay. So 12 units at, say, $180,000, yet one unit somewhere else could be a million. You know, so when you're passing a budget without the detail, you can't do that, okay. So, because 12 units is only $180,000 out of all the -- out of all that's allocated for the retrofits. So we're comparing apples to oranges with each community.

And the other question that I want to ask while I'm at it is who decides which units are going to be retrofit? You know, is it the Housing Corporation, or is it someone else in project management, and how is clarity and who decides those things? Is it a neutral board? How is the accountability and transparency actually done; that's what I'd like to know. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have Vice-President Martin respond. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Vice-President Martin.

Thank you. Member for Thebacha.

I don't have any other questions.