Thank you, Madam Chair. Okay, so capital is for retrofits, and I actually see no new builds here. Is that correct, that the Housing Corp is planning to build no new houses?
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chair. We did end up getting federal funding this year. We ended up with a co-investment and the CIRNAC funding so we're able to put 90 new builds on the ground this year. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chair. I believe there's a disconnect, and I'm trying to understand this number that shows up repeatedly. So the new units, I believe, are reflected in the revised estimates. That's why it's $60 million more, because the feds gave us $60 million and we're going to put housing units on the ground. But for 2022-2023, right now is the Housing Corp planning to build no new units; is that what this is? Thank you.
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chair. We do have some new builds that are coming this year that are funded through the Housing Corporation, and I just -- you know, in respect of the Member's questions that, you know, we do acquire -- we did acquire a lot of federal funding this year, and it's -- it kind of gets confusing as well too because we are putting RCMP units on the ground as well too. So I'll have Jim elaborate on the response. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Martin
Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, so as our Minister mentioned, the Housing Corporation does have a number of new construction projects underway this year. And they will be completed over the course of the next couple of years, mostly next year and this year, but there will be some in to 2023-2024. So there is certainly new construction activity going on outside this 2022-2023 capital plan that, as was noted, is focused on M and I investments for this year, given that we do have quite a sizable new construction delivery on at this time. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chair. I just also want to understand, so every year the Housing Corp puts $10 million in here for M and I, you know, essentially retrofit and putting buildings up, which means it -- or is the other hundred -- are we just spending $100 million a year on O and M? There's $100 million a year to staff the Housing Corp and make sure the lights on being spent and only $10 million to actually upkeep units? Thank you.
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chair. We have a number of programming that we do. We do have within the department besides putting the new builds and trying to support homeownership and emergency repairs. I'll have Jim elaborate on the response as well too. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Martin
Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, as the Minister mentioned, we do have a number of other investments supporting housing programs and service delivery. This plan before you today is focused solely on capital investments and, as was noted, these typically are major retrofits, as we have here, as well as new construction projects planned for a particular year. And that meets the accounting test as well in terms of the capital-type investments. But in terms of the O and M, you know, it is correct that we do have approximately $100 million of O and M typically planned for 2022-2023. And that includes minor M and I investments, for example. So these are the type of smaller repairs that our local housing organizations would support year to year for the Housing Corp. So there is definitely other investments taking place outside the capital plan. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chair. Forgive me, I couldn't add up all the numbers here. How many in this fiscal -- sorry, I keep saying "this", I mean 2022-2023, the fiscal year we're approving, how many units are we planning to retrofit?
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Just a second. I actually have that just in front of me. I'll just have Jim respond, sorry, thank you.
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Martin
Thank you, Madam Chair. 176 units. Thank you.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chair. Can the Minister maybe just put that in context? You know, it sounds great that we're retrofitting 176 units. Where does that get us at the end of -- you know, assuming this fiscal we do that, how many more units would we anticipate need major retrofits? Is there a backlog. Can I just get some context of what $10 million in retrofits actually gets us with regards to the giant backlog of maintenance we need. Thank you.
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chair. This number is able to touch on what needs to be done, but in total, I'm have Jim respond. Thank you, Madam Chair.