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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Yes. As the money first rolled out, there were some lessons learned, and it has become much more accessible, more flexible, and there has been a review. I can ask Mr. Saturnino to expand on this. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Saturnino.

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Saturnino

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. In follow-up to changing the program in 2018, the department did commit to conducting a review of the program. This was done in 2020, and I believe the report itself was shared with standing committee in the fall. The review was quite positive. It found the program was achieving many of the objects and outcomes that it was intended to. It was providing benefits to the communities. It is important to note that, with this particular fund, it's the communities that decide how they want to use those dollars. They can use it to subsidize a number of positions, or they could use it to fund a more significant number of positions. They could also decide if they wanted to use it for seasonal-type positions or more full-time-type positions. It is very flexible. It is intended to be that way. The communities wanted to have the ability to make those decisions, and we have designed the program to do so. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Yes. I appreciate the response, and I will try to search out the review of it. That sounds exactly like the direction we had asked for, so that is great. I want to move on to the education authorities programs and services page in here. Sorry, there are a couple of pages in here. The one page that shows active positions, it looks like there are some regions where there are going to be fewer full-time teachers who are funded, a few regions where there is going to be maybe an increase. Is that driven by enrolment figures? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. One of the big changes is the child and youth care counsellors. Right now, those are funded positions from ECE, and those are being transitioned to Health and Social Services. The funding is being removed from the education authorities and going to Health and Social Services, but if there are declining enrolments, that often could result in a decline in funded positions, as well. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair, and thanks to the Minister for that clarification. In the last Assembly, the department was talking about developing a policy so that, if there was a decline in enrolment over a certain percentage, that an education authority wouldn't see a huge drop in their funding right away. It would be transitioned over maybe two or three years just to make sure that they didn't have to cut a whole bunch of teachers loose and lose programs right away. I think that's how they do it in Ontario and Manitoba and maybe one other jurisdiction that was being looked at. Did the department ever complete work on that policy, and if so, can the department or the Minister commit to share it with us as Regular MLAs? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. The big drop off in financial support occurs when a school board falls below, I think, 500 students enrolled. There are no schools right now who are facing that. That work isn't as urgent as, perhaps, it was a couple of years ago. What we are doing is undertaking a review of the entire funding formula, and that will be part of it. That is part and parcel of the Education Act modernization. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. If I read between the lines of what the Minister said, then the policy was never finished, and it's being rolled into the larger review of formula funding for the DEAs? Is that correct? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. Schools are funded according to the funding framework, and that is essentially the funding policy. There was some work done to look at different jurisdictions and how they fund schools, and that work was shared with Members. The funding formula is what it was, and it will be reviewed as part of the Education Act modernization. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Maybe I'm not getting it, but I remember seeing a discussion paper on this. They looked at three jurisdictions, I think Ontario, Manitoba, and somewhere else, and they were looking at changing it so that there wouldn't be this big drop off. Was that policy work ever finished, or is the Minister saying that that's now being rolled into the larger review of the overall funding formula for DEAs? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. There is often research done that doesn't result in a new policy. What the Member is referencing is research that was done. It didn't result in a new policy. In that sense, yes, that policy work has ended, and we have moved onto a much larger review of the funding framework. That work will, of course, inform the funding framework review, so perhaps in that sense, it's not complete. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Thanks for that. One of my favourite questions, too, is: what's the status now of the social work and teacher education program review for Aurora College? Those two were dropped several years ago, and I'm just wondering if they are ever going to get reinstated. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. Those reviews are both being undertaken. There have been some delays due to COVID because of the fact that we needed to get people into the territory to review the programs. There has been some work virtually done, but I can get the Member more information about this, as well. We are not quite on schedule where we want it to be. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.