This is page numbers 2019 - 2082 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. As of today, the City of Yellowknife continues to support and offer fire services to Ingraham Trail, but as of April 1st, like the Member had said, that date is coming up very closely. He stated within five weeks. Looking at those fire services, also looking at the options, we are going to be looking at the consultation to be done, and my department will have something to propose to the residents of Ingraham Trail. I also want to really elaborate, as well, the implications that we are going to be looking at for the fire services to be offered. I really want to emphasize on the education and training. I just also want to look at the fire department here in Yellowknife, and also looking at the fire department in the smaller communities.

We need to find people that are committed to offering these fire services and that are committed to be educated and trained and also looking at the certifications that they do follow and equipment as well. It's really not a decision that could be just made overnight, and I know that I've made the commitment that we will find a solution by April 1st. I'm confident that my department has been working diligently with Ingraham Trail, and I'm confident for them to get out there and get their consultation done and really have those options available to the residents. I really want to speak about the financial implications as well, whether the people at Ingraham Trail would be in favour with those additional taxes and the additional financial requirements that are going to be needed from the residents at Ingraham Trail to be paying a certain amount to the city. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't want to waste every single Member of the Legislative Assembly's time on this, but I've asked this repeatedly, and I've repeatedly been told that by April 1st, we'll have a solution. I am not hearing anything that leads me to believe that that is now true. What I'm actually looking for is the conversations that have had with the City of Yellowknife. Has the City of Yellowknife said, "Yes, we'll do this for $100,000," and we decided that was too high? Has the City of Yellowknife said, "No, there's a risk assessment," and there's no way we'll offer this? Have we not even made an offer to the City of Yellowknife? I'm not worried about the larger consultation that has to happen. Just in the next five weeks, I want to understand what has happened with the City of Yellowknife and what will happen with the City of Yellowknife? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. That's a conversation that we've been having with the city. I will provide an update to the Member to let the Member know where we currently are sitting at with those conversations and what the city has actually committed to, and that information will be provided to the Member. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just looking at ground ambulance and highway rescue, can the Minister tell me: are they two separate things? Ground ambulance, is that one category and highway rescue something different? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of MACA.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will have Mr. Gary Schauerte respond to the question. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schauerte.

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Schauerte

Thank you, Madam Chair. It's one program. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. This issue, it's been ongoing and especially for Hay River. Hay River, we have Highways No. 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 in close vicinity, so we have got a good length of the highways to look after. In the Northwest Territories, you have got 2,200 kilometres of all-season and 1,400 kilometres of winter roads. I look at the $185,000, that is $84 per kilometre for the all-season. If you take them all, it's $51 per kilometre, which is really not a lot of money, so I am just wondering: we have been talking about it, and I listen to the questions from the MLA from Yellowknife North. We do not seem to be getting any further ahead in addressing the issue of ground ambulance and highway rescue, so I would ask the Minister: are we making any headway, or are we expecting to make any headway with addressing ground ambulance and highway rescue throughout the Northwest Territories? It seems like we spin our wheels, and it's not just this Assembly. It's past Assemblies, as well, so it's not like it's a new issue. That is the question: are we making any headway with this? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of MACA.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Throughout the Northwest Territories, depending on which jurisdiction and the highways, as well, where they exist, it becomes quite complicated. I am going to have Mr. Gary Schauerte elaborate on the current statuses throughout the Northwest Territories and how we administer the highways within Hay River, Inuvik, and Fort Smith, and looking at what MACA is responsible for and looking at the partnerships we have with the communities and with department of health. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schauerte.

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Schauerte

Madam Chair, the department began review of the ground ambulance program approximately two years or so back, where we hired an exterior consultant to support engagement with all of the different municipalities that deliver this service. Through that work, a number of different facets of the program were reviewed, including governance, charge-backs, areas of the road that different municipalities would be responsible for. There was at one point a plan to identify all of the highways across the NWT and which communities would respond on that, although there was never final agreement by all communities on that.

The Minister is correct. A community like Hay River does have highways going in a number of different directions. It does not mean that they are rolling hundreds of kilometres down the road in five different directions, which is part of what that strategy was intended to look at, was a fair approach to how highways would be covered. Much of that work was, we were getting near ready to bring that back for discussion with Members as the deputy referred to in her earlier answer, and this work has been somewhat sidetracked by the discussion around Ingraham Trail. We did not anticipate that the municipality would make a decision regarding their level of service. Nonetheless, that challenge was given to the department to try to address. Emergency services, fire protection services outside the municipal boundary had many of the same issues and concerns as ground ambulance outside municipal boundaries had, so there was certainly a parallel to the issues. It made sense that we continued to look at these in conjunction with each other.

As the Minister referenced and as the deputy said earlier, we have situations where the department of health is delivering ambulatory services. We also have situations where the municipality is delivering ambulatory services, so all of those issues had to be factored into this discussion. Again, as I referenced, we were nearing to bring back a presentation to standing committee on our review of the ground ambulance program and some of the thoughts we had related to all of the different elements of this program. That presentation is still something that we want to do with committee, but the priority around Ingraham Trail and the timeline around addressing Ingraham Trail has somewhat taken that direction of that work on a bit of a tangent for a short period of time until we can get that done. At the end of the day, the work that we are putting into addressing how we are going to deal with fire prevention services on the Ingraham Trail will help to inform the larger discussion around emergency services outside municipal boundaries. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Schauerte. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. That is all fine and dandy, but at the end of the day, the reality is that we have been waiting and waiting and waiting. We do not seem to be making a lot of headway. In Hay River, again, like I say, there is no way that the Town of Hay River is going to say, "No, we are not going to go out on an emergency call." You just do it because it's the right thing. It does not matter what the cost. Until you have actually had somebody that required, on the highway, that service, and I have for one of my children. It's so valuable, but we seem to fight or we seem to look at the cost. There is a reason for that, but at the same time, we have to make some decisions because we have to deal with it. On Highways No. 1 and 3, we have I don't know how many trucks rolling down that highway between the end of March or middle of March or January to March, like 10,000. There is the potential for accidents and that, so it's very important. I am hoping that, when we come back next time, we actually hear something positive, that some agreements are in place, no more of this, "Well, we are looking at it; we are engaging; we are reviewing." If we took some of that money and put it into this, maybe we would have these agreements in place by now. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. If you have no further questions, then I will move on to the Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in regard to the ambulance services on the Tuktoyaktuk Inuvik Highway, that we do not have any, something should be really looked at. Ambulance services that we do have in the riding, in Nunakput, it's all in the back of an RCMP truck, in the back of an F-150 Ford, and that is unacceptable. I am thinking that, if you could even send us your old ambulances from down here and buy yourselves new ones, it would be good. That is how bad we need it in the community. What we should be doing is really working with the hamlet and the SAO, senior administrative officer, to try to get ambulance services into the Nunakput communities and for the Inuvik Tuktoyaktuk Highway. That service is needed really badly. It's more of a comment because I am picking up where Mr. Simpson is speaking to, but I think it should be done quicker rather than later and invest a little bit of money. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Minister of MACA.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate the comments coming forward, and looking at the ambulance services, it's kind of a really foggy approach, I want to say, that we do not have the commitments to be looking at this type of service to be offered. I want to put into comparison that we provide the firefighter initiative in the smaller communities and looking at the education and training that comes with that and also looking at the liability for offering ambulance services and the urgency to have trained, qualified people to be running these trucks and being able to be first on hand when there is a need for the ambulance services on the highways. I also want to say that, other than the budget that we do have, 83 percent of our budget does go out into the smaller communities, and MACA does provide that extra, that support for the communities on future planning, capital planning, and what is it that they are wanting to intend in the next few years. I am going to bring this back to my department, and I want to bring this to standing committee, as well, so I could really provide a clearer understanding of where MACA sits with this. Looking at the $185,000 that we do have in this budget, that is mainly for equipment and training for the communities, to support them that way. I would like to just bring that back and provide a clearer understanding to the Members. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

No. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just need ambulances. Thank you.