Madam Chair, probably just more of a clarification. I'm on page 33, fees and payments. It went up slightly. What consists of fees and payment? Madam Chair, masi.
Debates of Feb. 9th, 2021
This is page numbers 1843 - 1902 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was going.
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Shannon
Thank you, Madam Chair. That would include payments under our planning, research, and evaluation for any third-party evaluations and things of that nature that we need to conduct. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi
Masi, Madam Chair. Just going down further, to travel. I thought for sure that travel would be reduced, but it has gone up again. What is the rationale for travel going up from last year to this year? Masi.
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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R.J. Simpson Hay River North
Thank you, and I can hand it over to perhaps Mr. Shannon to take it, but I will note that this is just part of the department's overall travel budget. Of course, it is spread across the various divisions, and there was a significant reduction, I believe, between 2018-2019 and 2019-2020, and so we have trimmed the fat from the budget. I can ask Mr. Shannon for some more information on this particular item. Thank you.
Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Shannon
Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Minister. The travel budget for this was developed with a great deal of uncertainty on how things would look going into the next fiscal year, but it was anticipated travel to support the Education Act modernization; planning, research, and evaluation; and also deputy minister and senior management travel for things such as FPT meetings, and things of that nature. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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The Chair Lesa Semmler
Thank you, Mr. Shannon. Are there any further questions under the corporate management? Member for Frame Lake.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Madam Chair. I see, I guess this is page 78, that there is a line that says finance and capital planning. Is this the area of the budget where money could or should be found for the work that needs to be done to renovate or maybe even build a new museum here in Yellowknife? Thanks, Madam Chair.
Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Madam Chair. I'm looking at the electronic version that was provided to us when we reviewed the main estimates. Sorry. Yes, it is page 33 of the hard copy. There is a line there that says finance and capital planning, and I am just wondering if that's the line item where money could and should be found for helping to fix up the museum, and maybe even expanding it or building a new facility for the archives, that kind of work. Is that where the money would be found? Thanks, Madam Chair.
Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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R.J. Simpson Hay River North
Thank you. Perhaps I could hand this to the deputy minister for an update on that work because, regardless of where it's found, I can provide the committee with some information. Thank you.
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Mueller
Thank you, Madam Chair. Specific to the work that needs to be done at the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre, that would fall under the culture, heritage and languages section. We have had a recent study done to look at that whole infrastructure and what the potential costs would be to do all of the work, and it is quite high, so now, we're in the midst of doing a study to look at how we could bring in other revenue to try to offset the costs of that work that would need to be done. Right now, here on page 33 under finance and capital planning, I would have to turn to Mr. Shannon, but I don't think this is the section at all that we would use for that work.
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Shannon
Thank you, Madam Chair. Any funding for the redevelopment or any new building or construction or anything to do with the Prince of Wales would be in our capital estimates. However, finance and capital planning is our division in headquarters that includes our capital planning section in positions that work with, as Ms. Mueller mentioned, staff in the culture and heritage division to develop the plans to do that construction, ultimately. This is more of the planning function as opposed to the capital budget for the construction project. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Madam Chair. I am not asking, at this point, where is the money for the capital. Where is the money for planning this? This facility has lived way past its planned life. There was a flood in the basement when water lines were replaced recently. I have been over. I have looked at it. There are jury-rigged humidity systems and dehumidifiers and stuff all over the place. This building is way beyond its normal life. Is there any money in the budget, in this section, for planning for replacing the building? Thanks, Madam Chair.
Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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Committee Motion 75-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Finance - Deferral of Department (page 137), Carried
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R.J. Simpson Hay River North
Thank you. There was money for planning. A plan was done. I believe it was shared with committee. I have discussed it in this House. It is quite a visionary retrofit and expansion of the facility. Given where we are with our finances, I'm not sure if that is something that is doable. That being said, the Member points out that there are significant deficiencies with the current structure that need to be addressed. We have money, and we are doing planning on how we can address those deficiencies and, as part of that, what we can do to perhaps raise revenues to offset it, as well. Yes, to the Member's point, there is money. It is being spent, and it is being spent with the intention of ensuring that the Prince of Wales heritage centre, the life of it can be extended and that we can fulfill our obligation, our statutory obligation to maintain the archives of the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.