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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thanks. I'll start, and with your permission, I'll ask you to go to the deputy minister. With the variance there with the $7,000 to $65,000, it was actually due to a coding error, payments made out of other contribution lines, so that's what we had there. The traditional knowledge funding helps communities carry out specific projects related to collection of traditional knowledge and many other projects, including traditional knowledge and cultural components. Traditional knowledge contributes to and also ties into other departmental contributions and various activities. For further detail, I'll ask your permission to go to the deputy minister. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Deputy Minister Kelly.

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Kelly

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, when there is traditional knowledge work that's done, if it is work that the department is working with elders and traditional knowledge holders, there is compensation as part of that. Sometimes, we fund projects where communities work on it on their own. One of the most important things to consider here is this is one line item, but there is funding from most of the different activities in here that goes towards traditional knowledge. This is not the only money that the department has for traditional knowledge projects. Same with country foods, for example, or food security. These are just examples that are under the corporate management item in the main estimates. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. My colleague there just took a lot of my thunder, but I'm glad these questions were asked. Just hearing this last response, too, it did answer a lot of my questions, but I did have one just a little bit about traditional knowledge. Right across the board, I think for all departments, if there are any sort of areas where there is any sort of research being done, I think this is very important. To give an example, if there is any sort of scientific study, I think it's so important to have somebody who is really knowledgeable about the land; it could be an elder, it could be a long-term land user, knowledge keepers. It's a good marriage between science and some of the old ways.

When you have a scientist going out on the land studying water levels, for example, it's always good to go out and take somebody who knows the land. Nobody knows the land better than a lot of our locals in the area, in the North. They have a good pulse. They know every rock formation, what the history is of a certain area of land, and it's just valuable. To me, that's more valuable than any sort of PhD, when I'm talking about a lot of traditional knowledge and the knowledge keepers, so I'm hoping this funding amount here can really be looked at. I'm just wondering because I looked through the entire department and this is the only place I've seen traditional knowledge: are there any other areas where this is spoken to? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

I'll start, then, with your permission, I'll turn to the deputy minister. Traditional knowledge, local knowledge, and scientific knowledge is very much what ENR is about. When we do things, we always tap into our traditional and our local knowledge because it helps our scientists. If you look at caribou, we deal with our elders, we talk to our elders, we meet with elders because, basically, they are our foundation moving forward. They are very knowledgeable and help us do things. For the detail that you're looking for in other areas, I will, with your permission, go to the deputy minister. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Deputy Minister Kelly.

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Kelly

Thank you, Madam Chair. I think I'll start by answering that it may not say "traditional knowledge" in there; what it would say is that we have funding to do work on caribou, for example, or moose or water, and we would be doing that work collaboratively with Indigenous governments. A good example of that would be some of the work that we've done in the past on the Slave River and Delta partnership that involved the communities of Fort Smith and Fort Resolution, where we had scientists and traditional knowledge holders and elders in the same room and we actually have some elders who are co-authors on scientific papers because they worked so closely together. What we term that as is "knowledge co-production," where they are actually creating new knowledge by linking the science and traditional knowledge in communities. That's our gold standard. We're not there on all of the projects that we do, obviously, but we do our best to include traditional knowledge wherever we can for the reasons that the Member brought forward. I would also point out that our knowledge agenda has traditional knowledge as a cross-cutting theme, so we try to look to include it wherever we can with the research that we're doing. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for that response. It's good to hear because I'm just trying to understand that specific earmark there for traditional knowledge, so thank you for that response. One other item here that kind of got my attention was the country foods. The actuals were $239,000, and now it's down to $50,000. Is this being reallocated someplace else? Is this country foods being spoken to somewhere else in this section? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

For that detail, I'll turn to the deputy minister. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Deputy Minister Kelly.

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Kelly

Thank you, Madam Chair. The reason that it was $239,000 was because we did the engagement for the Sustainable Livelihoods Action Plan that year, and we held meetings in 18 different communities across the Northwest Territories. We don't require that level of engagement any longer, so the funding is now $50,000. However, as I've mentioned previously, there is money for country foods in other areas in the budget, as well, that contribute to that, particularly to food security. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Deputy Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. Thank you for that. Speaking to country foods, again. What other work is being done for studies in terms of this area? Is there anything ongoing right at this moment? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

For that detail, I'll turn to the deputy minister. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Deputy Minister Kelly.

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Kelly

Thank you, Madam Chair. There are a number of initiatives that are being done by our on-the-land unit that integrate food security into them, particularly related to the implementation of the Sustainable Livelihoods Action Plan, and I would definitely say that there are other projects that are being done by the Fish and Wildlife Division, as well, caribou projects where we're looking at the relationship with food security. Some of the projects that we do on alternate harvest when caribou aren't available, so moose and fish and other food sources. This is an emerging issue that continues. We continue to look for ways to do work on this item, so I would definitely say that there is other work that will be done. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you for that. One last question: the local wildlife committees here. The actuals were $109,000, and now it's $257,000. My question is: was this due to demand? In terms of subscriptions of this line, I want to know more detail about that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.