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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So right now, Mr. Chair, this current fiscal, there was, of course -- I shouldn't say of course. There was a design process underway. I believe that is on schedule in terms of the kitchen shelter and the cultural building. The next stage of it for the current capital plan would be actual construction. That's an amount that is proposed for $450,000. So obviously that one will be subject to whether or not there is a passing of this budget, whether or not that kitchen shelter is built or not in the coming here. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Thank you. Another one, too, is that I know that they mentioned quite a few times that tourism is, you know, is important and that's what we need. So I'm just wondering if ITI, you know, wants to promote tourism, especially in the North, and in Tlicho region we don't have anything. So I know -- and they're building -- you know, I know there's visitors centres quite a few places, especially in the larger centres. And Tlicho region, Behchoko is the largest Dene community in the Northwest Territories. What we need in the Tlicho region is a visitors centre. But I know that in the past -- a while ago, Tlicho government asked this Minister for an outhouse to be built on Highway 3, or possibly on Tlicho Highway, and they said, no, it was -- you know, and even Tlicho asked that if they can partner up with them and they can build them an outhouse. That was not possible too. So I am just wondering, like visitors centre, we can have all those things. We can have a gas station. We can have arts and crafts that's locally made. And we can also have a washroom since they can't build us an outhouse on Highway 3 because that Highway 3 is the busiest highway in the Northwest Territories. And with the new Tlicho Highway, I know there's -- so there was a concern from the government itself so they asked. So I'm just wondering, will the Minister partner -- because I think this is a good opportunity because they are always talking about partnering with the Indigenous government. So can they -- so I think this is a good chance, this is a good opportunity for them to, you know, to form this partnership and build a visitors centre in Tlicho region. Can they commit to partner with the Tlicho government to build a visitors centre or outhouse on Highway 3 or on Tlicho Highway? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, there's been no ask to me with respect to any visitors centre. What we do have, as I've said in the last response, was that the North Arm Park, there's a significant amount of capital proposed to build a kitchen shelter and campground, so would very much like to pass this capital project first to get that project underway and complete this campground which has been built under the Tlicho infrastructure cooperation agreement. So it has gone through that very unique process of working with the Tlicho government with that agreement for the procurement of the various parks facilities and would -- similarly this kitchen shelter would be much the same.

With respect to partnering and working with Tlicho government on, you know, tourism and tourism capacity, Mr. Chair, we are very much hoping that it would be the region who would be the potential operators of the park facility at North Arm Park. I would note in an effort to run a pilot or in a training program this summer, there was no interest and no uptake. We're trying again this winter. So very much hoping that -- perhaps I'll connect with the MLA. We can get that information out to the region, again wanting the region to be responsible for this park. And, you know, also working with the Tlicho government right now in terms of what may or may not be happening at Whati falls based on their government's direction.

So there is quite a lot of partnered work happening with the region, with the local government. You know, the idea of doing an extra outhouse somewhere on the highway when you are either half an hour to Behchoko at most or half an hour to Yellowknife at most, that hasn't been identified as a priority at this point. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Yes, yes, thank you. I would like to sit down with her and, you know, talk about this, and then possibly with the Tlicho government to promote tourism industry and regarding the visitors centre as well, because now that there's the all-season road going to Whati, you know, visitors centre is necessary in Tlicho region. It doesn't matter where it goes, either in Behchoko or in Whati, but there is a road there. So I really support that. And then I would like this government to continue working with the Tlicho government to support this initiative. So, yeah, so that is good. It's a good sign, I think it's a start, you got to start somewhere.

So, yeah, so that's -- and another one -- but I think that's on the next page and it's not on this page as well. But it's the next one. But I just wanted to make note I talked to -- I know she's the Finance Minister but it's not on here, but Tlicho -- north -- Tlicho region is still identified part of the North Slave region. So I just wanted to know -- and there's 20 percent. It says that there's 20 percent of infrastructure being spent in North Slave region. How much of those are being spent in Tlicho region itself? Tlicho region is not part of North Slave.

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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister, we're on the -- and to the Member, we're on Industry, Tourism and Investment, we're not on the Finance department, we went through that. But if you would like to address it, you may. Mahsi.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I think that is a question that's looking at the entire capital budget that is being proposed. So let me take that back and when the Department of Finance is here, that might be the time to attempt a more fulsome response. Thank you.

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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

No, thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Any further questions on tourism and parks from anybody? Mr. Edjericon.

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Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's more a question but I was just thinking about these projects that you already have on the books here and after we looked at the whole budget for this year and realistically this is what you're putting forward and what guys work on. I guess what I'm thinking is that we don't know what's going to happen but in case one of these projects don't get off the ground or delayed for any reason or might be carried over to next fiscal year, is there any way that we could probably try to move some of this money around so that we could probably top off housing so that we are able to, you know, continue to address the needs of our people in our communities and housing? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. We're on tourism and parks and we're stealing money from other regions, but I'll allow the Minister to answer if she would like. Mahsi.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, it's probably a response that I'll want to have at some length outside of the House but, yes, the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment has a set amount that it goes towards small capital particularly -- so for us it would be parks. If that is last, and I don't -- or carried over, which -- you know, sometimes there are projects that get carried over but, if anything, it just winds up going to other ITI projects that are then themselves underfunded. I don't know that we tend to carry over a whole lot within the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, or lapse a lot within Industry, Tourism and Investment, that is not restricted funding. So there won't be much real opportunity to say that there would be excess money sitting in ITI. Even if there were, Mr. Chair, it's not an obvious -- or it's not a seamless transition to then take it from this department, which has been approved here by the Legislative Assembly, and simply transfer it over to a different department without coming back through the Assembly. So I do appreciate the effort to find, you know, savings in order to add elsewhere, certainly as the Minister of Finance. But I certainly don't think ITI's going to be the source of any significant excess. Thank you.

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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Mr. Edjericon.

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Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm just thinking in -- I know there is a process already in place and people's -- in this budget here that's been worked on for years, and the community of Fort Resolution and Lutselk'e and Dettah and N'dilo, we already have, you know, roads that are going into Dettah and N'dilo that are in really good shape and going into Fort Resolution except for the last kilometre, which probably needs to be relooked at and re-chip sealed. But I'm hearing a little bit more about the roads in Fort Resolution that, you know, some residents are concerned that maybe it's something we should take a look at, at chip sealing those roads in the community. Also the community of Lutselk'e. They also talked about the problems with the dust in that community, and it's impacting everybody in the community health-wise as we breathe in the dust and etcetera in that community. So I just want to see if there's a way we could probably work with your department to trying to get some of these issues on the drawing board.

Also one more thing I was going to say is that at the Pine Point junction, when you go to Behchoko and you go to Hay River or fort -- up north, there's usually a place where there's a junction with proper lighting. But in Pine Point, when you go to the junction there onto -- onto the main highway there, there's no lighting. And I'm just hoping that maybe it's something that we could take a look at as well. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

I'd just like to remind Mr. Edjericon that we're on page 50 and 51, Industry, Tourism and Investment, tourism and parks. Your questions are more in line for the Department of Infrastructure dealing with highways and roads and lighting at junctions. I'm not sure if the Minister would entertain that question. I'll leave it up to her. Mahsi.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Chair, only to acknowledge that with respect to the Department of Finance more generally, I am aware that this is an issue that's come up. And I will, you know, speak with Minister Archie so that between the two of us, and then we'll be prepared to answer those questions in the course of the review of the capital plans in COW. Thank you.

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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Mr. Edjericon, we got Infrastructure next week anyway, on the docket anyways. So we'll just stick to this section here so we can -- we have something else to appeal to review too, I'll allow you. You've got four more minutes of questions.

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Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Just looking at your 2023-2024 GNWT Capital Estimates, and just to my colleague as well talking about the North Slave region. Right now in the South Slave region, Fort Resolution is rolled into the South Slave region but this here when I look at the communities here, it's highlighted mostly in outside the South Slave region. So can you just confirm as well to me the communities of 15 percent for the South Slave region, so that we're clear. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think where we're going with this, Mr. Chair, is with respect to communities within Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh, and there are no parks capital projects for 2023-2024 planned in the community of Lutselk'e or Fort Resolution if that is ultimately where this is going. And if not, I apologize. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. Edjericon. Questions there? Okay. No further questions? ITI, infrastructure investments, $2,978,000. Does committee agree?