Thanks, Mr. Chair. I move that consideration of Tabled Document 747-19(2), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, be now concluded and that Tabled Document 747-19(2) be reported and recommended as ready for further consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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In the Legislative Assembly on November 1st, 2022. See this topic in context.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi. The motion is in order. To the motion. We'll just wait for everyone to get the motion in front of them.
Okay, the motion is in order. To the motion.
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Some Hon. Members
Question.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Tabled Document 747-19(2) will be reported as ready for consideration in formal session through the form of an appropriation bill.
---Carried
Thank you, Minister, and thank you to the witnesses for appearing before us. Sergeant-at-arms, please escort the witnesses from the chamber. Mahsi.
Committee, we have agreed to consider Tabled Document 748-19(2), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023. Does the Minister have any opening remarks?
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am happy to present the Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023. These supplementary estimates propose a total increase of $80.684 million of which $27.7 million will be offset by revenues from the Government of Canada.
Included in this amount is $22.4 million in changes in accounting treatment that was previously reported as work on behalf of others. These agreements include the following agreements:
- $8 million to provide support for RCMP facilities, including maintenance, utilities, janitorial services, and minor capital repairs;
- $4.6 million to support the Labour Market Development Agreement;
- $2.5 million in support of the Mutual Aid Resources Sharing Agreement;
- $2.1 million for road maintenance across the Northwest Territories; and
- $1.6 million for the protection of caribou.
We are also proposing to support federally funded agreements, including:
- $2.3 million in support of the Building Skills 4 Success Program in the Northwest Territories;
- $1.4 million to support legal aid services under the agreement respecting access to justice services; and,
- $1.4 million to support other access to justice services for Indigenous residents, families, and victims of crime.
These supplementary estimates include two significant items to support the government's response to combat natural disasters:
- $39.2 million for flood relief and recovery in the Town of Hay River and the K'atlodeeche First Nation; and
- $5 million for additional fire suppression support during the 2022 fire season.
These supplementary estimates also propose the following items which are not offset by federal funding programs:
- $5.3 million for the government's share of costs related to the RCMP collective agreement; and
- $2.7 million to support the retention and recruitment of health professionals.
That concludes my opening remarks, Mr. Chair. I'm happy to answer any questions committee may have.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, Minister. Does the Minister of Finance wish to bring witnesses into the House?
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi. Sergeant-at-arms, please escort the witnesses into the chamber. Minister, please introduce your witnesses.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Back again for a second time I have deputy minister of finance Bill MacKay, and the assistant deputy minister Terence Courtoreille.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. So can someone explain to me, in plain language, what this extra $22.4 million is all about? It's some sort of change in accounting treatment. Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Let me turn that to the deputy minister, please.
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Mackay
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So under the public service accounting rules, we have to treat certain transfers of funding from the federal government as either flow through arrangements or revenue and if it's -- we determine that this amount of money is actually revenues and needs to be treated as revenue because it goes into the department and then is used in their general appropriation to fund certain projects whereas if it was a flow through arrangement, it would just go from a government to a third party, including a territorial government and just go directly to another party. So they would just be basically flowing the money directly to a third party rather than including as part of the revenue. So we just have to change the accounting treatment of that funding. Thank you.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. And thanks for that. So do we have to go back in prior years and try to fix this? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Mr. Chair, well good thing I'm not an accountant. So I guess the bottom line here is that we have to -- this money is now showing up on our books as money that we're spending, and we've got $22.4 million less to work with? I am confused at the best of times. Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So no, Mr. Chair, fortunately it doesn't work out that way. It really is just a way in which the funds are classified and where it's being reported upon. It's not a change to the funding arrangements or funding agreements that are in place but just a change in that it's being reported now as an appropriation whereas before, it was not. But it doesn't change money available to the government. It's just money that was previously being classified as money that was brought in to do work for others, federal government being probably the top of that list, as opposed to now wanting to show up elsewhere. It is -- maybe I should just start with this -- or just end with this, Mr. Chair. It's money that's fully offset from third parties. So whether it's money that we say is on behalf of others or that we now show as a different -- under a different classification to work on behalf of, that's really all that's happening here. So no actual changes to the financial standing of the government.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Mr. Chair, actually believe it or not, I now understand it. There's an offsetting amount that's coming in as revenue from the federal government, and we just have to show the money going out. And that's what this is about. So thank you for that explanation late on a Tuesday night.
So there's some money in here for flood relief and I, of course, support that, but is this the end of it or can we expect to see more funding in future supplementary appropriations just for flood relief? And my next one will be about whether there's anything in here for planning to -- in terms of longer term mitigation. But let's just deal with is there more money coming in a future sup for relief? Thanks.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So the money that is being sought for appropriation here is for up to 2022-2023 -- or, well, for this year in terms of what we are anticipating. Certainly, obviously can't see into the future of what might happen in the spring and would certainly note that this doesn't account for whatever amounts we may then ultimately get by the federal government under the disaster assistance policy. We certainly are hopeful of an advance and then ultimately hopeful to see a full 90 percent coverage. But neither -- the first of those might arrive this fiscal but it may well be that it's not until next, and the full amount is unlikely to arrive this or next fiscal. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks. Yeah, I think there's going to be a cash flow problem here. But can someone tell me where we stand at with the supplementary reserve for the operations side for 2022-2023? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I certainly can. So we start off the year -- just to remind the House, we start off the year with the $35 million supplementary reserve, and we right now are in a deficit of just over $42 million. The main reason for that is as a result of the costs of the flood for 2022, and that is -- yes, that is a significant reason for that overage. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Mr. Chair, so how do we make up that $42 million deficit? Is it short-term borrowing that we have to incur to cover that and -- yeah, I'll start there. Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So there will be -- well, depending on what the surplus -- our operating surplus position is, we were, you may recall, forecasting at one point a fairly significant operating surplus. So that is the first piece that it gets taken from, is what would have been an operating surplus will now likely not be and anything beyond that would increase our debt. We'd be taking on debt in order to ensure that we can meet those cash obligations. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thank you for that. So what, if any, lessons have we learned, then, in terms of the size of the supplementary reserve? And I recognize that we wouldn't expect a Hay River flood every year but clearly with the climate crisis on us and so on, we need to find a way to set aside some more money to deal with this kind of stuff that's more likely to happen. So how are we going to try to manage this into the future? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I mean, I -- and I appreciate the comment again. We certainly don't want to see a flood impact that's the size of $100 million as we did this year. Certainly I mentioned the year before, while devastating in the Deh Cho region and the Nahendeh region, the costs of that flood in 2021 were nowhere near what this one was. So there's by no means any certainty that we're going to be year over year seeing $100 million for what appear to be climate change impacts. That said, I take the point it is -- that, you know, there may need to be some looking at where this -- what kind of reserve is required. This particular year, this -- it was part of the fiscal strategy early days of how we might mitigate and how we might plan to have reserves and what that would like like as the overall fiscal strategy for four years. Things, obviously, change a lot over the course of four years notwithstanding a pandemic. So, again, point well taken and probably well made given that we are kind of going into our last main estimates but then planning does begin almost immediately thereafter for what the government would look like in the future. So, you know, point taken and thoughts on that can begin to crystallize. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. It's one last one maybe, and the Minister already touched on this, but for I guess 2023-2024 -- oh, well it looks like for 2022-2023 we've gone now from an operating surplus to probably an operating deficit. How is that going to be in compliance with the fiscal responsibility policy in light of the capital estimates that are also before the House? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So there is within the fiscal responsibility policy, a two year period so it's not necessary -- it doesn't line up -- there is kind of a grace period where if there is an event such as, you know, what we all hope to be a once in a lifetime flood that in those circumstances, we would see that you do get a bit of room. We get these two years where the deficit that we're running now we can catch up on. And so with that also said, the operating deficits, the surpluses aren't necessarily -- we need to actually see where the actuals land to see just what level of compliance we have with the fiscal responsibility policy, and that is -- that is information that we'll be in a position to provide within the next couple of months. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi for that. Any further comments for the general comments section? Seeing no further general comments, we will proceed to a review of the supplementary estimates by department and activity. Committee, please turn to page 3 of the tabled document, Education, Culture and Employment.
Education, Culture and Employment, junior kindergarten to grade 12 school services, not previously authorized, $635,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Education, Culture and Employment, labour development and advanced education, not previously authorized $6,939,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Education, Culture and Employment, total department, operations expenditures, not previously authorized $7,574,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Committee, please turn to pages 4 and 5 of the tabled document. Department of Environment and Natural Resources.
Environment and Natural Resources, environmental stewardship and climate change, not previously authorized, $150,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Environment and Natural Resources, forest management, not previously authorized $7,518,000. Does committee agree? Mr. Johnson.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I see there's $5 million extra here for forest fire suppression. Can I just get confirmation what that brings the total forest fire cost to and whether this is the end of it. I know we were fighting fires very late this year. The sup sometimes takes some time so do we believe this is the end of extra money needed for forest fires this season? Thank you.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So the total amount for this season is coming in at just over $24.7 million. So a little bit more than what is reflected here. That's the total budget including the base funding amounts that were for the department. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi. Environment and Natural Resources, forest management not previously authorized $7,518,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Environment and Natural Resources, water management and monitoring not previously authorized, $325,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Environment and Natural Resources, wildlife and fish, not previously authorized, $1,622,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Environment and Natural Resources, total department, operations expenditures, not previously authorized $10,215,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Committee, please turn to page 6 of the tabled document, Department of Executive and Indigenous Affairs.
Executive and Indigenous Affairs, directorate, not previously authorized, $381,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Executive and Indigenous Affairs, total department, operations expenditures, not previously authorized, $381,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Committee, please turn to page 7 of the tabled document, Department of Health and Social Services, health and social services administrative and support services, not previously authorized, $430,000. Does committee agree? Ms. Cleveland.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I just have a couple of questions. I'm wondering how quickly the labour market supplement will be provided to existing employees. Thank you.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm just trying to confirm with the deputy exactly what day the first payment will be made. I believe it is this month. I just don't know exactly on what day. The deputy minister might know.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Mackay
Thank you, Mr. Chair. We pay it on the regular pay cycle. So the next pay date in November is when we're expecting it to go out. Thank you.
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'm wondering if the Minister can speak to whether or not there are any anticipated expansions of the Labour Market Supplement Program? I know that many of us have heard from different constituents who feel that they have been -- or who have been cut out of the program and who have indicated that they may go to their deputy heads in regards to this. And I'm wondering if the Minister has any indication as to whether or not they've heard from different deputy heads or if there is a plan to expand the eligibility for this program within this fiscal year? Thank you.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I do sincerely hope that public servants don't feel left out. I know there are some and many that do. Mr. Chair, the labour market supplement, it is not a bonus. It was not COVID pay. It was not reflective of folks who I know were working on the front lines during COVID and were often working through very difficult circumstances through COVID. The labour market supplement flows from the labour market supplement policy that was developed to give some parameters in what is a very difficult labour market in all industries, in all professions across all of Canada, and to make sure that we had every possible available tool at our disposal to be able to recruit staff and retain staff in certain positions here in the Northwest Territories. So the policy is really focused on positions that are difficult to staff. And to get into the state of having a labour market supplement applicable meant that the department, in this case it was Health and Social Services that came forward, which, you know, really with the headlines that are coming from across Canada, that probably shouldn't be particularly striking that there are some positions within Health and Social Services that are in particular demand and very difficult post-COVID to be staffing. So they came forward first with their evidence and information about which positions would qualify under the policy for a labour market supplement. There was then the discussions that take place with the union to ensure that, you know, again this is a modification over the agreements that would otherwise normally be in place under a collective agreement, and the discussions that were had in the fall were really because both sides were coming to the table recognizing the urgency of the area.
The benefit to staff, Mr. Chair, is really that when there's more staff there on the floor and available, then that increases the number of people that hopefully decreases people being asked to do overtime, decreases hopefully the number of people that are running double shifts. And that should be hopefully a larger scale benefit. But, Mr. Chair, it's -- it is dependent, if there's going to be another labour market supplement, on another department coming forward and saying that they have that same level and need and meets the policy. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I'm glad the Minister brought up additional staff. And it's my understanding that this line item also speaks to the hiring of additional staff. And I'm wondering if the Minister can speak to that item and how many people that might be, and we'll go from there. Thank you.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, there is, indeed, some amount here for other recruitment and retention strategies. And that was, if you will recall, earlier before the labour impact supplement came out, a variety of strategies put forward by the Department of Health and Social Services and working with Department of Finance and human resources specialists about other options. So, for instance -- and I think this is what the question is. There's four employee on-boarding specialists positions. That is really meant to be an opportunity to help new staff who come in understand relocation, understand getting settled. They are based two in Yellowknife, one in Hay River, one in Behchoko. It was in response to concerns raised within the Department of Health and Social Services that new and incoming staff, particularly those moving from somewhere else to a new community, with all of the demands of the position that they're in and all of the frontline needs that they have, were often not being really well brought into the service, really well brought into their community, and that this was becoming a significant issue on retention. And so it was considered to be an area that could directly benefit keeping folks available and really recruiting people in who could feel welcome and immediately integrate well into the service. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the Minister also brought up the huge quantity of overtime that nurses are doing and healthcare professionals are doing and how reducing that really is going to be a mechanism to retain staff so they do have that work-life balance and are able to, you know, really work in safe working environments. And so I'm wondering if a future supplementary appropriation will include bursary programs essentially for education in return for service within the public service so that we can really create our own nursing pool and then create our own pool of people that are doing return for -- or return of service for education. Thank you.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I was listening earlier during question period when those questions were put to the Minister of Health and Social Services. I am in no better position to answer them than what she was at that time. So I think I'll just defer to another round of questioning at another time perhaps. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Tomorrow is a new day. Mr. Chair, my next question is one of the things that was pointed out after the labour market supplement was announced within NTHSSA is that the Hay River health authority falls out of that. So should the Hay River health authority move forward? Are we to expect an additional supplementary appropriation, or how will that work? Thank you.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, yes, they are, as I understand, still in bargaining. So, again, I do want to be cautious in speaking about anything that's happening in bargaining. I would not want ever to be a sense that we are, you know, trying to assume the outcomes of a process that has a proper process to be followed. Now, I do think it's probably fairly expected, given some of the public statements that were made by the parties, that there is likely to be some amount. Now, as to whether or not it has to come back through an appropriation or not will depend on what the final amounts are. If there is a need to appropriate further dollars for Hay River Health and Social Services Authority through the Department of Health and Social Services, yes, it comes back as a sup. If the amounts -- given that it's a smaller authority, are of a nature that they can be internalized within the department, then it wouldn't come back as a sup. But that's -- unfortunately, at this point, I wouldn't -- I can't -- I can't finally predict that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi. Health and Social Services, administrative and support services, not previously authorized, $430,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Health and Social Services, health and social programs, not previously authorized, $2,683,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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November 1st, 2022
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Health and Social Services, total department, operations expenditures, not previously authorized, $3,113,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Committee, please turn to page 8 of the tabled document, Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment.
Industry, Tourism and Investment, corporate management, not previously authorized, negative $16,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Industry, Tourism and Investment, economic diversification and business support, not previously authorized, $1,044,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Industry, Tourism and Investment, tourism and parks, not previously authorized, negative $17,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Industry, Tourism and Investment, total department, operations expenditures, not previously authorized, $1,011,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Committee, please turn to page 9 of the tabled document, Department of Infrastructure, asset management, not previously authorized, $58,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Infrastructure, energy and strategic initiatives, not previously authorized, $300,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Infrastructure, programs and services, not previously authorized, $153,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Infrastructure, regional operations, not previously authorized, $10,272,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Infrastructure, total department, operations expenditures, not previously authorized, $10,783,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Committee, please turn to page 10 of the tabled document. Department of Justice.
Justice, community justice, not previously authorized, $1,201,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Justice, court services, not previously authorized, $201,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Justice, legal aid services, not previously authorized, $1,369,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Justice, policing services, not previously authorized, $5,314,000. Does committee agree? Mr. Johnson.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I see $5 million here for the RCMP collective agreement. My understanding is that there's a bit of a dispute about how the collective agreement is going to apply to the back pay or retroactively. Can I just clarify whether this is the total amount we owe for the collective agreement or whether this $5 million is just one - this fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is for 2022-2023 or this current fiscal year only. And I don't have detail as to what may or may not be happening with respect to retroactive pay that flows from the collective agreement, the newly agreed-to collective agreement. Thank you.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Yeah, okay. I think there was two or -- I can't remember, two or three years of retroactive pay. I see $5 million one year. So is it safe to assume that there's 10 or $15 million more coming to the RCMP? Thank you.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, this first collective agreement spans from April 1st, 2017, through to March 31st, of 2023. I don't know offhand what those costs for the retroactive pay will look like, nor do I necessarily know what cost share ratio there might be associated. Obviously, we'll have to come back before the House when or if that is resolved and likely through the form of a supplementary appropriation. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay, and just confirming that this brings our policing services contract with the RCMP up to $55 million? Is it then anticipated for the remainder of this collective agreement that would be the total amount of the contract, or is there some other thing going on where we may be more than $5 million built into next fiscal? Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, the current agreement is in effect, as I said -- or this portion here, now we do have until 2023. There's an agreement that I believe has been reached up to March 31st of 2032, and it will then be built in for the Department of Justice in their main estimates so that in future years it will be reflected through the usual appropriations process. Thank you.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi. Justice, policing services, not previously authorized, $5,314,000. Does committee agree?
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 331-19(2): Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 747-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023, Carried
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Justice, services to the public, not previously authorized, $239,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Justice, total department, operations expenditures, not previously authorized $8,324,000. Does committee agree?
Committee, please turn to page 11 of the tabled document, Department of Municipal and Community Affairs.
Municipal and Community Affairs, community operations, not previously authorized, $40,000. Does committee agree? Mr. Johnson.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you. So there's $39 million here for the flooding, bringing the total appropriation to $117 million, I'm just going to round here. Can I just clarify whether this includes -- I believe there was a $60 million special warrant. Whether -- how that fits into this figure. Thank you.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mr. Johnson, we're on the -- page 11. We're on the community operations, the $40,000. So your question is on the next section, right, so all right. Not previously authorized, $40,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Okay. Municipal and Community Affairs, public safety, not previously authorized, $39,243,000. Does committee agree? Mr. Johnson.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I believe somewhere that there was a $60 million special warrant for the flooding. Can I just clarify whether that figure is included in this $117 million. Thank you.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. That is correct. The $60 million special warrant, this appropriation, total flood costs are $109 million of the $117 million that's reflected at that line item. Thank you.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chair. My understanding is that the total flood costs are quite a bit higher than that. So can I just clarify whether we are expecting further supplementary appropriations to come forward for flood costs? Thank you.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Mr. Chair, let me turn that to Mr. Courtoreille who I expect will have the most up to date numbers.
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Courtoreille
Thank you, Mr. Chair. $109 million is the latest number that we have. I understand the department is still working very closely with the community on cost claims, and if there are additional claims that exceed the $109 million, that potentially could be considered in sup 3 later this year for 2022-2023. And just to clarify, sir, this is only the 2022-2023 number. There is another amount expected in 2023-2024 as well. Thank you.
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chair. And can someone just tell me how the KFN reserve funding flows into this. I believe they are going through a different process and are expecting hopefully 100 percent money back through the federal government through Indigenous services. Can I just clarify whether this money also includes the KFN money. Thank you.
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, so it does still include that because the GNWT fronts the costs. But the Member is correct that because it has a different funding source from the federal government, we are expecting that those costs will be 100 percent funded as compared to the 90 percent under the disaster -- the disaster assistance policy. Thank you.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Municipal and Community Affairs, public safety, not previously authorized, $39,243,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Municipal and Community Affairs, total department, operations expenditures, not previously authorized, $39,283,000. Does committee agree?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge
Mahsi, committee. Do you agree that you have concluded consideration of Tabled Document 748-19(2), Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2022-2023?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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