Thank you. Minister.
Debates of Feb. 25th, 2022
This is page numbers 3523 - 3558 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chair. I just -- I don't have the timeline. I just have the number of units that's listed here. But in total, we are looking at 90-unit delivery within the lifetime of this government. And just for what is supposed to be constructed for this year, I will have vice-president Jim Martin to respond with that number. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Martin
Thank you, Madam Chair. The Housing Corporation has three main delivery streams here this year. First off, with the co-investment fund support, we're delivering 60 units. We're expecting to deliver those 60 units, as the Minister mentioned, certainly over the next two years. Our target is to complete 46 in 2022-2023, and 14 in 2023-2024. So that's for the 60.
The second category is the CIRNAC supported units, and that's 30 units. And the 30 units, we've already completed seven, at least by the end of this fiscal year 2021-2022. An additional 21 is targeted for completion in 2022-2023. And the remaining two in 2023-2024.
The third category that we're delivering here is the RCMP housing units, and that's 45 units, and 15 are now completed; eight are scheduled -- well, sorry. Actually by the end of this fiscal year, we'll be looking at 23 to be completed. And in 2022-2023, we'll be completing the balance of 22 units. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. So not including the RCMP units, because the Housing Corporation is getting revenue on those and so those would pay for themselves, there's about 74 new units coming onboard in the 2022-2023-year. So with the increase of O and M costs on those units that is expected to come with each of those, is that amount still based on that 25,000 O and M per unit, and is that built -- or is the increase of 74 units in the 2022-2023 year O and M built into this budget? Thank you.
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Martin
Thank you, Madam Chair. With regards to O and M, the 90 units that are being supported by co-investment fund and CIRNAC dollars, our expectation is to have those units delivered as expansion units. So that would be new public housing units. And in terms of the ongoing O and M associated with those, we did receive funding support from GNWT for 2022-2023 based on the projected delivery for that year, and we'll continue to obviously bring forward further submissions through the upcoming annual business planning process for the balance. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Madam Chair, and I feel like I need to apologize because I'm kind of through you talking to people that I have back to, and I always feel bad for that. So sorry about that.
So the GNWT has committed support for the O and M on those units for the 2022-2023 year. But is it then correct that there's no commitment of funding for O and M on those units for any future year after that? So can I just get confirmation on that one and what the plan is for that going forward, if they plan to continue to ask FMB for that and if there is stability in that? Thank you.
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chair. We would be going back to the GNWT after 2022-2023 and build that operation and maintenance into our budget. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Has the Housing Corporation received any kind of indication from FMB or the GNWT as to whether or not they're going to continue to do that following 2022-2023 fiscal year? Thank you.
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chair. We were instructed to go back to FMB. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, my next question is in regards to how this will impact the rest of the housing stock.
So we have these new units coming onboard, and we have funding secured through FMB for that. Does this mean that more existing units will then come out of the public housing stock and be transferred into homeownership? And if so, what number is projected to come out of the public housing stock this year in response to that? Thank you.
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chair. Homeownership is one of our priorities as well too, and we have acknowledged the public housing clients and looking at if they're wanting to get into homeownership programming. With that, I'm going to have president Young just report on the numbers and the acknowledgements and where we are with that process. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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Young
Thank you, Madam Chair. And just quickly to confirm though, there is not a relationship between the additional expansion units that we're building this year and whether or not units come out of the existing stock for homeownership. That is two conversations. We do have expansion units built this year.
At the same time, though, we are having conversations with clients in existing houses. Our goal over the life of this Assembly is to try to move 100 clients into homeownership that are existing public housing tenants. To date, we have 45 applications in various stages of the process, and our understanding is that two of those could be signed off any day. So we are slowly making progress on getting those clients that are interested to move into homeownership. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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