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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. Are there any advancements or talks about increased RCMP presence in Tsiigehtchic?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. That has not been brought forward. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Are there any further questions on policing? Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

So on 296, I mean, three lines and we're spending $50 million there, and we have the added costs of $3.5 million for policing for the extra whatever, and then you have the $8 million. It's just well over $60 million. What does biology case work cover for $183,000?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. That is the cost of the lab work for forensic files.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Okay. So the ratio between First Nation policing and the policing agreement, that's a -- like a $49 million difference. You know, and most of the enforcement is with the -- you know, with Indigenous people. And, you know, every time I look at this and see what's happening in the communities, it's -- you know, I've carried this file for -- this is my 17th year, ever since I got elected as Chief of Salt River. I just don't think -- you know, you talked about two meetings a year with Justice. That's what they have. That isn't -- that isn't a lot. Is there dialogue with municipal governments and community governments and Indigenous governments about how things should be done in the community?

They're going to say yes. You're going to say yes to me, I know that, because they come with a form and it's the same form that everybody signs every month. Finally, I told them not to come to the door anymore when I was Chief. It's the same form, same thing, for 14 years. And you wonder why I question what's happening.

Everybody knows who's the drug dealers in the community. Everybody knows who does all the things wrong. And then there's no -- they never -- there hasn't been a drug bust in the community of Fort Smith now for over 25 years, a major drug bust.

This is part of the whole situation with addictions. If the enforcement is not there, yeah, the other day you said oh, they're going to replace them with another drug dealer. Does that mean they don't have to do anything then? It's very confusing for me, because the protection and safety of the young people that are going to high school, and even younger, and they -- and, you know, without proper enforcement and visibility in the communities and dialogue with the Indigenous governments and municipal governments -- they go there once a month to a meeting. What does that mean? You know, there's no visibility within the community.

And $60 million, they don't even clean their own snow when it snows outside. I didn't know that. But now that there's one of the new duplexes across the road from my office, all they have to do is jump in the car and drive around. And it's very puzzling to me that we have no accountability and no transparency with this file. And yet we're dishing out $60 million without no accountability and no transparency. And no oversight. And that's why I -- I'm not going to give up on this file until some of those things are corrected for the community.

And I have a lot of people complaining about -- you know, even I went myself before Christmas to the detachment. I waited outside there for an hour and a half. No one answered the door, because I had a complaint. And then I go back down the road to my office and the guy's in uniform hanging up the lights on his -- Christmas lights on his building in uniform. Very, very -- you know, we've got to have more accountability and transparency with this file, especially when we're disbursing that amount of money.

And I'm not going to say anymore because I'll stay on this file, and I'll keep on asking questions. And, you know, I know you went through the whole -- and they're not serving every community yet. You -- my colleague just asked if there was an RCMP in Tsiigehtchic, and there isn't. So the big empire is here again and, you know, the communities have got to be served to the fullness with their duties.

And when the person at the RCMP station finally arrived and I went in there, so what do you want here and I told her oh, I -- I told her the situation that I came for. And she says well, what do you want me to do with that? That was her answer. And that's an RCMP officer. I said oh, just forget it, I'll just go. So I left. I never identified myself or anything. I just went there for a concern. And if this is what's happening to myself, what is happening to the rest of the people in the community? And that's -- that's a big question.

I know you can't do anything about it today, Mr. Minister, and -- but I want you to think of some of these things because accountability and transparency for that amount of money has got to take place. It's your duty as the Minister of Justice, and I will continue on this file as long as I know that -- whenever I'm here because I think that it has to take place.

Leadership plays a big role in that. If you have the right commander, you would -- you would -- you know, the guy -- nobody knows who he is. I know who he is. But, you know, if they're going to reach out to the communities and reach out to the things -- taking a photo op with the Dene Nation is not serving the communities. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Minister, did you have my comments? No? Okay.

Are there any further questions, comments to policing? Member for Monfwi.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Yeah, thank you. Okay, when I asked about the active position, so I heard the Minister say they add more police services in the communities. Okay, police are to keep peace and order, we know that. And to make residents feel safe. But I just want to ask the Minister, I would like to know what is the Department of Justice is doing to reduce crime rate in the community because it's -- okay. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Few minutes -- I guess I move that the chair rise and report progress, and I'll answer the question tomorrow. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

There's a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is in order and non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

I will now rise and report progress.

Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

May I please have the Report of Committee of the Whole. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bills 23, 29, 38; Minister's Statement 202-19(2); Tabled Document 561, 567, 578, and 579-19(2), and would like to report progress with one motion, and, Mr. Speaker, I move that Report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. Do we have a seconder? Member for Range Lake. All those in favour? All those opposed? Any abstentions? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Clerk, orders of the day.

Orders Of The Day
Orders Of The Day

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Clerk Of The House Mr. Tim Mercer

Orders of the day for Friday, March 4th, 2022, 10 a.m.

  1. Prayer
  2. Ministers' Statements
  3. Members' Statements
  4. Returns to Oral Questions
  5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
  6. Acknowledgements
  7. Oral Questions
  8. Written Questions
  9. Returns to Written Questions
  10. Replies to the Commissioner's Address
  11. Petitions
  12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
  13. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
  14. Tabling of Documents
  15. Notices of Motions
  16. Motions
  17. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills
  18. First Reading of Bills
  19. Second Reading of Bills
  20. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
  • Bill 23 - An Act to Amend the Public Utilities Act
  • Bill 29 - Resource Royalty Information Disclosure Statute Amendment Act
  • Bill 38 - Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2021
  • Minister's Statement 202-19(2): Annual Status Report on the Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories, 2019-2023
  • Tabled Document 561-19(2): 2022-2023 Main Estimates
  • Tabled Document 567-19(2): Annual Status Report - 2019-2023 Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories, February 2021-January 2022 of the Government of the Northwest Territories, 2019-2023
  • Tabled Document 578-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2021-2022
  • Tabled Document 579-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2021-2022
  1. Report of Committee of the Whole
  2. Third Reading of Bills
  3. Orders of the Day

Orders Of The Day
Orders Of The Day

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Friday, March 4th, 2022, at 10 a.m.

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The House adjourned at 6:03 p.m.