Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Written questions. Returns to written questions. Replies to the Commissioner's address. Petitions. Reports of committees on the review of bills. Reports of standing and special committees. Tabling of documents. Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table Sharing Common Ground - Review of Yukon's Police Force - Final Report on Implementation, May 2014. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Tabling of documents. Notices of motion. Motions. Notices of motion for the first reading of bills. First reading of bills. Second reading of bills. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 23, 29, and 38; Minister's Statement 202-19(2); Tabled Document 561, 567, 578, 579-19(2), with Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes in the chair.

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I now call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of committee? Member for Frame Lake.

Merci, Madam la Presidente. Committee wishes to consider Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023, with Education, Culture and Employment and Justice. Mahsi, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Does committee agree?

Thank you, committee. We will take a short recess and start with the first, ECE.

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I now call Committee of the Whole back to order. Committee, we've agreed to consider Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023, and we are on the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Does the Minister wish to bring witnesses in?

Yes, Madam Chair, thank you. I do wish to bring in my witnesses.

Okay. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses in to the Chamber. Thank you.

Welcome back, deputy minister MacDonald and ADM Mr. Saturnino. And we are going to continue on where we left off yesterday under income security.

Member for Monfwi, I had cut you off due to the time. You still have five minutes left. Did you have questions under income security, or? You did, okay; I just got to fix the clock. There. You ready?

Member for Monfwi, you can continue on under income security.

Okay, yesterday I was saying about the income support and, okay, the Indigenous students, they get -- they're eligible for basic and supplementary. And I was saying there, I said a lot of students are saying that the funding that they get, it's not enough. So a lot of them are saying they're going -- they're applying for the repayable loan. And so when they do that, they are -- they were told that they have to pay, like the full amount. And it's not -- they don't like it. They would like -- some of them were saying that it would be nice if it was the same as the remissible loan where they can pay half, because a lot of them live in outlying communities, in the small communities. And if they don't get a job right away, then what SFA or the ECE does is they send their file to the collection, to the collection department. They didn't even start their life or doesn't even have a job, now right away at the beginning when they're just starting their credit is already ruined because of the collections. So lot of them -- is there any way that we can change that within the policy or the SFA can -- the department look into that by, you know, part of the renewal policy?

Thank you, Member. Minister of ECE.

Yes, thank you. Yes, as we look at SFA and, you know, how we want to improve the program, we can look at things like that. You know, there's always considerations. You know, we have to follow the rules in other legislation and there's other financial-related legislation that might be requiring us to do certain things but, you know, with the review, I want to ensure that we are developing a program that is responsive to the needs and the circumstances of all residents. And if those residents are in small communities and they have different circumstances that require perhaps some -- a different way of doing things, then we want to look at that. So I appreciate the Member bringing it to my attention. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Monfwi.

Thank you. Another one too is that there are some students that took -- because they use up their basic and supplementary grant, which is equivalent -- which is 12-semesters, an equivalent to $60,000. So some went on the -- because of that, they're not eligible for the remissible loan. So they have to go on the repayable loan and some are saying that -- well, some of the students that -- or the people that I talked to, they're close to 60 years old and they're saying we don't have a job. Government is not going to do a write off of that loan. They would like to see that write off.

Is there any way that can -- can SFA or ECE review those outstanding student loan for those people who are close to 60 years old or over 60 years old, those who have used up their basic and supplementary grant? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of ECE.

Thank you. And again, we do have to follow the rules in other financial legislations. So there are processes in place to request forgiveness if you get to the point where you, you know, you're having collections called on you. So there are some processes in place but we don't want to have a program and have some people, you know, have to follow that program and others not. So what we might need is to perhaps change the program so it's a little more responsive but I don't want to, you know commit to, you know, just treating some people differently because, you know, they have different circumstances than other people might have but those other people might be following the rules, so. Short story, we were going to look at all of these things as we review the program. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister. Are there any other further questions? Member for Monfwi, just wait.

Oh, my five minutes is up? Okay.

Thank you. Are there any further questions under income security from Members?

All right, so just going to Education, Culture and Employment, income security, operations expenditure summary, 2022-2023 Main Estimates, $60,121,000. Does committee agree?

Thank you. Committee, we will now turn to page -- we've already done JK to grade 12 so we're going to skip that.

Labour development and advanced education, page 53, with information items on 54 to 57. Questions. Member for Hay River South.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just looking at the trades and occupation wage subsidy, can the Minister I guess give me a breakdown, roughly, between the trades and I guess occupations, I suspect it's two different things, what the breakdown would be? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of ECE.