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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Saturnino.

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Saturnino

Thank you, Madam Chair. We have entered into a three-year agreement with College Nordique Francophone to offer the CELPIP program. The $46,000 you're seeing is showing on its own line is the first year funding. The remaining two years, it would actually show under the immigration budget itself. So it's buried within the labour market program's budget line. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. And, yeah, I'm going to maybe make the advice that any of these campaign schools being run include some accounting training in them, because it is really hard sometimes for us to figure out where the money has gone. So I'm glad to hear that it hasn't disappeared. And I just want to confirm that that now means that that test can be offered here in the North and they do not have to travel, and I see the deputy minister and Minister nodding their heads yes. So that's great, because I have heard that has been a problem in the past.

I guess the next one I just wanted to maybe talk a little bit about, so I'm not duplicating too much, is the small community employment fund. I do see that we have had -- we have more money here than we did in the 2021-2022 Actuals, which is great. Again, I feel that this is a great way to get employment and money into small communities and into the hands of our residents.

So can the Minister speak to the plans for this work, and do we see ourselves looking to increase that in the coming years? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of ECE.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. So I'm not aware of any plans to increase it at this point. But it is a very -- I think it's a successful program. I like programs like this where they're community-driven and, you know, local communities or businesses have an idea on how to employ people and we give them money and they employ people, and that money flows directly into their pockets. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Yeah, I completely agree with the Minister. I think there that there's an opportunity here for us to mind the data of this -- these programs to see what -- to inform our work around the regional economic development plans. And I see the Minister nodding his head, and I'm assuming that that is being -- or that information from this is being fed into that.

But maybe the Minister could speak a little bit to how that actually works, and are we really taking a full advantage of those resources in order to inform the future plans for us as a territory? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of ECE.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, and yes, there's a lot of -- a lot of information that's flowing into the different departments around labour markets, around local economies, and departments are working together to amalgamate it all and make sense of it all. For some information on how that works, I can ask the deputy minister to explain. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Deputy minister MacDonald.

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Macdonald

Thank you, Madam Chair. So the small community employment item is a mandate item for this Assembly. So with that in mind, there is an interdepartmental working group that works to pull together information from each of the departments about what they have been doing, what they're doing now, as well as to look at what can be done better going forward. So part of that work is inventorying of programs. There's been the development of a new resource to provide to communities about the various opportunities that exist across government, as well as mapping to look at programs and how they can be approved, combined, things of that nature. And it's my understanding -- well, I should say that ITI, as well as ECE, are co-leads on that. So with reference to some of the regional economic development planning, that information is being utilized by ITI in that context. So I think the plan is to provide a bit of an update on that item shortly in the coming days. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. And I appreciate that. And I've heard earlier today already some talk about women in trades, etcetera. I guess when it comes around to these economic plans, you know, when I was first started to run for this Assembly, I heard about ridings where, you know, no women had ever put their name forward before or, you know, being told that there'd never be women elected there. And so I guess given that it would be community leadership that's sort of running these programs and designating, what's being done to kind of ensure that the gender voice or the gender lens is also being looked at as we somewhat have a bit of a patriarchal history in the North and if the leadership -- you know, and we've lost one of our great female leaders to the Assembly from one of the Indigenous organizations. So I would be concerned that maybe that voice isn't maybe always reaching regional leadership, and how does the department ensure that it is? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of ECE.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. And so these are -- the Member's correct, these are community-driven decisions and it's, you know, community-driven application process. So really, she's touching on, you know, something that is very difficult for us to get at through a program like this. That's why, you know, even with the women in trades subsidy for the -- the Trades and Occupational Wage Subsidy, increasing it for employers who employ women in trades, that was an area where we had money and we thought we can put it towards this. But even that doesn't get at the -- really the root cause. So I don't really have a good answer on this one. This really is a community-given program and we are responsive to the communities, and that's where decisions are made. I'm not sure if -- I don't think the deputy minister has anything to add either, so thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Yeah, I don't know that I blame the deputy minister. And I am trying to be respectful in how I phrase this, having obviously -- there's no secret to anybody that, you know, where my passion lies for women and representation. So you know, I think just being live to it is probably a big concern. And then I guess my other suggestion would be that there's some way to engage with small community -- with women in small communities. And perhaps that's, you know, something to look at a different Minister for but, you know, getting -- having maybe some specific female focus. And again, I guess I shouldn't even say female or women in that it should also be people that are not gender conforming. There's the binary and the spectrum. So, you know, more of a comment, but I would like to see some sort of input to the department on these programs from that sector. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Member for Monfwi.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Thank you, I'll be mindful of the time today. Yeah, trades and occupation wage subsidy, can you give us a breakdown of the success rates in the regions and what trades? And Tlicho is not part of North Slave, okay. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of ECE.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. So we might be able to provide some information on where that money was distributed to.

In terms of success, I'm not quite sure what is meant by that. It's a little hard sometimes to measure success because you might have someone who is stuck in a first-year apprentice because there is no one to, you know, mentor them for their second-year apprentice. So there are some issues there.

But noting that Tlicho region is not part of the North Slave, I will see if we have a list of where this money has gone, with that breakdown. If it doesn't, we will do our best to provide that at a later date. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Oh, just wait. Did you want me to pass -- deputy minister MacDonald.

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Macdonald

Thank you, Madam Chair. I really appreciate the opportunity. I do have a list of recipients for that funding. I can read a couple of examples perhaps for the Member's benefit, but it may be best to provide a list in writing.

So some examples, you know, Arctic Canada construction, Fort Simpson Housing Authority, Inuvialuit Development Corporation. So it really is a fairly comprehensive and wide-ranging list of Indigenous governments and organizations, private sector, across the territory. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. So we'll -- Member for Monfwi, if we can get a list or a breakdown for her region, that would be great. I think that's what she's asking. Thank you. Member for Monfwi, did you have further questions?