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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department and the JV have been meeting. They started the work in January. So some of the packages on number 1 has started. Thank you.

Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, has the department met with the JV since February 7th when their proposal was submitted? Thank you.

Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes. And actually there's another meeting today. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral -- final supplementary, Member for Great Slave.

Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm now super confused because I have people from the JV telling me that they have not met with the Minister and her department and that, in fact, the Minister is not allowing there to be a trilateral meeting between the DND, the contractor, and the GNWT.

Can the Minister explain why her department thinks it's necessary to keep the contractors away from the Department of National Defence? To me, I talk often about the game of telephone where messages get mixed and scrambled. Perhaps that's the problem that's going on here. Can the Minister speak to when that three-way party will -- meeting will happen? Thank you.

Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've been meeting. There's been discussions happening at different phases since February, since before then when the executive council approved the joint venture contract. So we are still having ongoing discussions and, you know, we will continue to proceed. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife North.

Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services. I know that our -- now that we have the majority of people vaccinated, the vaccine uptake is -- is not what it used to be. And so my question for the Minister of Health is when the current stock of vaccines expires in the NWT and what we are doing to ensure we don't have any wastage? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister responsible for Health and Social Services.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and my thanks to the Member for the question. The current stock of vaccine that we have expires at the end of May, and specifically that's Pediatric Pfizer and Moderna. So we continue to offer clinics, and we hope to use up much of that inventory by the end of May. We can provide either appointments or walk-in vaccinations, whichever is most convenient for people.

We, as the Member may know, switched from a no-wasted dose to no-missed-opportunity to vaccinate people some time ago. So our vanishingly small wastage rate has increased a little so that we can vaccinate someone when they appear instead of telling them to come back at another time. So our wastage rate is 6 percent. Thank you.

Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Speaker. With those vaccines expiring in May, I'm hoping the Minister can speak to -- you know, I understand the principle of no-missed opportunity but I think we have somewhat of a predictable rate of how much we anticipate to use, whether it's possible to coordinate the logistics to make sure that we can get those into the arms of people who need them, whether that be in other places in Canada or other countries in the world. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the vaccines that come to the Northwest Territories come from the federal stockpile. You need a specific licence, I've learned, in order to reallocate unused vaccine outside of the Northwest Territories. So we try to order only as much vaccine as we need so that the federal government has a grip on how much surplus they have to devote to other parts of the country or to other parts of the world as the Member referenced. Thank you.

Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that. And I know the Canadian supply, Canada is working to improve its contribution to global vaccine equity. We probably have not lived up to the co-vax commitments as we should. But I know we're a small jurisdiction and I'm just hoping the Minister of Health can add her voice and make sure when she speaks with her federal colleagues that we are adding our support to meet the co-vax requirements and to make sure that vaccine equity is a priority. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member and I are entirely on the same page. We will not be able to substantially reduce the COVID infection rates if we are not all globally vaccinated.

I have certainly advocated for greater vaccination allocations to the global south, as the Member called it, and I know that my colleague, the Premier, has also done that. We understand the vulnerability of some of those populations. They're very much like the vulnerability of our own Indigenous population in terms of poor underlying health conditions and poor health outcomes. And so obviously getting vaccine to those people is extremely important, and we support all efforts to do that. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. My questions are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment.

My statement outlined the fundamental flaws with the current review of the NWT mining royalties. The first one is the total secrecy surrounding disclosure or of even financial analysis of mining royalties. The discussion research papers barely acknowledge the problem and propose no solutions.

Can the Minister explain the absence of any meaningful discussion of transparency and disclosure of mining royalties in the discussion research papers? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment.

Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a topic of conversation that I suspect will continue between myself and the Member for a long time. We simply aren't going to fly eye to eye on this one.

The current paper that is out for discussion purposes, Mr. Speaker, went to the SCEDI, to one of the committees of MLAs. It also went through the Indigenous governments -- or the Intergovernmental Council, IGC, the body -- the important body to work with composed of Indigenous governments. And when we initially got responses back on the paper, we took it back. We delayed it. Took that paper back. Took the responses in. Revised the paper. And now the paper that's gone out is one that has gone through that process and has been put out publicly with the support of IGC. So what it includes and what it focuses on was done collaboratively.

It does mention the reality and the fact that figuring out transparency within a royalty regime is one of the things that will have to be looked at in the course of this process that we're in right now in the development of the mineral resource regulations.

And I can assure the Member that I have confirmed with the department that when they're in the course of their engagements that they are, indeed, making sure to ask the question of how to increase and change transparency and what way in which we can continue to do that going forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. Of course, the only engagement that's happening is a web page where you can submit comments to an email address but, you know, the other fundamental flaw with the current review of mining royalties is the conflicting roles of her department in promoting and regulating mining at the same time.

Can the Minister explain why this review of mining royalties is being led by her department rather than an independent panel as was the case for the procurement review? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this too is not a new -- not a new topic of discussion for me in the House with the Member and I acknowledge that this is a longstanding concern that's been raised on his behalf at least with respect to whether ITI should, in fact, be the department leading this.

Mr. Speaker, royalty regime, royalty review is highly technical. When we're doing the procurement review, this is procurement for every department, for the whole of government, and certainly it involved all different types of industries in terms of all procurement that's happening in all industries across government. So it's a very different type of topic.

Royalties, and specifically royalties for the mineral resource sector and petroleum, as I said, highly technical and the expertise relies and lies within the Department of ITI.

The way we structured it is in fact not that different from some of the other jurisdictions in Canada that are similarly sized to ourselves here in the Northwest Territories in terms of our capacity and resources within government departments. And along the way, we certainly have made efforts to do some independent checks through the process.

Having PricewaterhouseCoopers which is an independent entity, having -- you know, engaging other scholars and academic experts to weigh in, providing the draft reports as I had mentioned earlier to committee and to IGCs and -- you know, and now going through the IGC protocol that we have around legislation development. So I'm confident at the end of the day, Mr. Speaker, that we're going to strike that balance, having our technical experts but also having opportunity for external experts to weigh in and give us their opinions and views. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that of course. Well let's talk about experts because certainly in Alberta and BC, the best practice is to actually hire independent experts and set up a panel and let them go to it. But, you know, I've looked at the discussion research papers on the engagement web page. The background information there doesn't even include the ITI commissioned report NWT Mineral Sector Review and Benchmarking Study, or even the SCEDI report on Economic Analysis of the GNWT's Approach to the Mining Fiscal Review.

So can the Minister explain why these two key references were not used in the papers that are now been released by ITI, and can these two relevant reports that I mentioned by independent experts, can they be added as resources to the engagement web page? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, folks at home will sometimes hear us saying that we had questions in advance. I do want to acknowledge that the Member does give a bit of a head's up, and that's helpful for the more technical questions like this. It's not that we necessarily know the flavour that we're going to hear in the House but, Mr. Speaker, I have been doing some work to try to figure out exactly what has -- what more we could do to provide more and further information.

It's certainly my preference to be able to provide more and further information to members of the public or members of industry or other interested parties as they're reviewing this. And I can say, Mr. Speaker, my understanding at this point, with only, you know, a bit of -- a bit of notice today, the standing committee's report was tabled before the holiday, so in the last session, and we are working quite actively to see that that is reviewed or responded to and once that happens, I believe it would be made available and the response will be tabled so that that can be included in people's consideration after the May/June session.

And in addition to that, Mr. Speaker, the Resource Governance Institutes Northwest Territories Mineral Sector Review and Benchmarking Study is on Engage ITI's website and available in the newsroom. So if I have missed one there that's not been included that the Member would like to see, I -- again I know the Member's taken the time, and I appreciate it, to sit down with the department on more than one occasion to talk about the royalties paper, to provide in-depth comments on the paper, which is one of the times when it went back for review, and if there's something else we're missing, Mr. Speaker, I'll certainly speak to him further about that again. It's better to have more information out there than less. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Frame Lake.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. And I guess what I'm asking is that those two papers actually be added to the current engagement page, not buried somewhere else on the departmental website. But, you know, the engagement web page the way it has been set up is really biased in terms of extractivism. There's nothing on maximizing revenues to government, ensuring future generations benefit, or a consideration of environmental or socio-economic trade offs. The next steps and guidelines are also vague, at best.

So can the Minister explain what the actual next steps are going to be in the royalty review, a timeline, and whether this work is going to be completed before the end of this Assembly? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to thank the Member. “Extractivism” is a word that I have not come across before.

But with respect to maximizing profit, Mr. Speaker, that is the whole point of designing a royalty regime and really the entire mineral resources regulatory regime that is made in the North and for the North. That's why we are really proud of the work being done at the IGC, with the legislative protocol that's there, so that when we have completed this process we can say that what we have in the North is made in the North, for the North, that we are, you know, walking the talk of being ESG advanced, so having environmental social governance advanced projects because we've done that work ourselves.

And as far as maximizing profit, Mr. Speaker, if we are in a position where we only maximize the taxation of royalties, then we run a very serious risk of having very few projects from which to take royalties. The balance that we're trying to strike, Mr. Speaker, is one where we are finding a regime that maximizes the royalties from the projects we have, encourages a development of more projects so that we're finding that sweet spot of having lots of projects out there to employ lots of Northerners, have lots of procurement opportunities, and bring in royalties in addition. So it's not all at the expense of one or the other; it's a matter of trying to figure out what that perfect balance will be.

The next step, Mr. Speaker, actually it happens to be a public briefing on April the 11th hosted, thank you very much, by one of the MLA committees. Looking forward to being there at that point then, and we'll be going over the timeline in further detail. That's one of the stops on the engagement process. I know there's active meetings happening with some of the chambers with projects that are here in the North, projects that are looking to explore the North, public engagement website that is available. I'm happy to take other meetings if there's organizations and entities that want to have those meetings directly and not participate on the website. And then I know there's a process that we've lined up after that for developing regulations, taking those to the consultation process with Indigenous governments and bringing them back before the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.