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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

No further questions.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. All right. Do we have any other Members with questions for public safety? Seeing none. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Where are we with with regard to 9-1-1? The government allocation to 9-1-1 seems to be going down over time but the amount of fees have been capped. What's going on? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

So there was a one-time increase but it's been consistent throughout. There was just an increase that one time. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

So if the government contribution from MACA is declining over time, the fees are capped, what's happening with the expenses as a program? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

For that detail, I'll turn to the deputy minister. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Deputy minister Gareau.

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Gareau

Thank you, Madam Chair. So 9-1-1 was established in the 2019-2020 fiscal year, and it was not a full year of operation. So the first full year of operation of 9-1-1 was 2021 and what we're -- what you see in the budget is the 2021-2022 actuals. So our first couple years of operation, the actuals did exceed the budget because all costs weren't known. And then in the 2022-2023 Main Estimates, we had an additional $500,000 on a one-time basis to help with some -- fund some relief positions. But now in 2023-2024, we're showing the $1.3 million budget. That is what we estimate that we actually require going forward now that all those sort of one-time startup costs that we experienced in the first couple years that weren't -- that weren't budgeted for but we actually ended up paying. Now that those have stabilized, we're at the $1.274 million budget range. And the levy has not changed and we're currently doing -- on the revenue side, and we're currently doing work to examine whether or not we actually need to change that levy amount. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Yeah, thanks, Madam Chair. I was around in the last Assembly when this was being proposed and it was supposed to be like a user pay system. So if I compare, you know, the revenues found on 333, I know we're not looking at that page right now, but we're losing $250,000 a year. Or we're putting -- GNWT's putting $250,000 a year into this. This is not sustainable. So when are the fees going to be increased because it's just not sustainable. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. So step one is that we're seeing lots more people get away from land lines. There's one. The second thing is that once we know our actual costs, then we will come back with -- and that was part of the work that we were doing with the consultants. So there's a whole process to it. So we know what the actual costs are and how -- what our recommendations are and what our costs, then we would know what we would have to look at to break even. But right now, we're comfortable with what our budget is right now. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. While the Minister may be comfortable with it, I'm not, because we continue to put $250,000 of money into this. It was supposed to be revenue neutral. It was supposed to be covered by the fees. And it's not. And the Minister says that but we're just going to keep pouring money into this? And, look, in no way am I criticizing the people that do this work. They're great. They do a great job. I even play hockey with some of them sometimes and they do a great job. But this is not sustainable the way that this is working. I don't know what else to say, Madam Chair. If the fees should be increased, and you have to go to the CRTC to do that. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. Sorry, I apologize, but I may have missed the question. Right now we've gone through COVID. We're going through this process. We want to make sure we do it right. And right now we have $250,000. That's where we are. If we need to go cost neutral, we want to be able to do it with the right information. So I would have to disagree with the Member that this is the amount that we have right now, and we're able to provide this service. And then we are working towards this cost neutral, but we want to make sure we have the actual costs what it's going to be. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Yeah, thanks. Maybe I'll try to make it clear then. Does a fee increase require an application to the CRTC, and how long is that going to take? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

It does not.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Okay, thanks. I just think that this needs to get sorted out. I don't think I have anything else -- oh sorry, consumer affairs. Is there any prospect of -- well, it's not going to happen in the lifetime of this Assembly, and I've raised it in the last Assembly, we have some of the weakest consumer affairs protection legislation in the country. You complain, and nothing seems to happen. So are we ever going to improve that legislation or even conduct a review? Thanks, Madam Chair.