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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Good. So we can start there. Knowing how much communities are getting under this current budget, not how much they're supposed to get though. I guess back in, 2014 when the last public numbers were out, quite a few communities were over funded, and the plan was to stop funding them inflationary increases until they essentially caught up. Are there any communities still in that category of being over funded? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

We'll get back to him.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

All right. Thank you for the commitment. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you. And I know that this is with the communities and, you know, we're trying to get some feedback, but can we get a bit of a timeline on when we expect, or even when the Minister would be comfortable sharing draft new funding formula policies? Just trying to get some sort of timeline where we're at with this. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

We're hoping to have it in the first quarter of the 2023-2024 fiscal year.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you. And I know there's -- I do -- well, I don't get why we can't share what we think the current gap is for each community. But I do get why there's some inaccuracies. Like, the Minister spoke earlier about asset management plans. It's actually very hard to, you know, know how much it's going to cost to replace all of your sewer pipes and roads and a lot of communities don't have that data. But I know one of the points of tension is that if you get federal money, if a community goes and gets federal money, it's a little unclear how that affects the funding formula or how it should even. You know, if you managed to pull down $50 million, should you be entitled to less money, or should we be saying no, it's not going to affect the formula as I believe it presently doesn't because you went and got the federal money, and we're happy to -- we want to kind of support that.

Can the Minister just speak to how, if at all, the new policies are going to address this issue of, you know, surprise federal money coming into municipalities' budgets? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

It will have no impact. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

I'm going to try one more time to kind of get some information what the gap is. We added $5 million here. I see that line item for the mandate commitment of $5 million but the formula does have inflationary kind of increases built into it. So can someone just tell me, from the beginning of this Assembly until the end, what the change in the gap is? I imagine -- I think it's roughly nothing. We just managed to barely curb inflation with $5 million but if we have that information, could it be provided. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

So it's approximately still $40 million. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

And then next I guess a bit of an accounting thing. It's nice to see this $5 million, mandate commitment funding of $5 million. It's very clear and you can track it. But I'm also a little concerned. Sometimes I see things like this, and then they just disappear because it's not actually in the community government funding line item. Is the plan next fiscal essentially will it just automatically read that the community government funding line item will be $54 million, or is it essentially up to the next Assembly to go well, we need to create a mandate funding line item again? How exactly is that $5 million going to play out in the next budget? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

For that detail, I'll turn to the deputy minister.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Deputy minister Gareau.

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Gareau

Thank you. So the $5 million is -- what we do is we divide that money up and we -- there's a portion of it that is allocated to the O and M formula. There's a portion allocated to the water/sewer formula and a portion allocated to the capital formula. So what we are planning to do, and we will likely do it this fiscal year, is we will actually move those amounts to the appropriate budget. So for example of the $5 million, roughly half of it, 2.594, is actually capital. And we've been flowing it out as part of our overall capital formula. So we'll actually just move it and add it to that budget, same with water/sewer, same with O and M, so that those funds will actually be in the budget line in our main estimates where they should be and to reflect what we have actually been doing, which is rolling that funding out through our formulas to community governments. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Are there any further questions under Municipal and Community Affairs, regional operations? Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, just over the weekend, or week or whatever day it is, another water line went in my riding and it created a bunch of havoc and thank goodness that, even though they're on strike, the city workers did come out and take care of that. And I want to say thank you for that. Sorry, a lock out, as my colleague corrected me. And so therefore I would like -- yeah, I just want to say thank you to that.

And so when I look at the water and sewer services funding, and note that we're not increasing from last year and have actually decreased from the actuals of 2021-2022, can the Minister or department speak to whether or not there's a plan to increase that or other pots of funding municipalities and communities can be accessing to repair their crumbling infrastructure? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of MACA.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. For that detail, I'll turn to the deputy minister. Thank you.