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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you Mr. Bancroft.

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Bancroft

Thank you, Madam Chair. The offender reintegration contribution funding, like the Member said, has been unspent but the budget remains constant. This is out of the South Mackenzie therapeutic community. That's where this funding is based out of. And as part of the South Mackenzie therapeutic community model, which came online in November of 2021, we were to offer reintegration funding to community organizations to assist with their offenders coming back into the community. That's been our process. To get to that point, due partly to our low population count at SMTC, and along with that there are some very last phases to be implemented alongside John Howard Society. And this contribution of funding is part of that last implementation that -- they're actually up here right now implementing the policies surrounding this. Thank you, Madam.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. So, Madam Chair, where do the -- like, is it out of this pocket of money then that dollars, for example, for support with housing people on release would come from? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. So it is to provide funding to people who are being released to reintegrate into their community. So that is one example of how the money could be used. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, my understanding is that there are staff within Justice that will work with people to secure housing in order to step in and stop the cycle of corrections to homelessness back to corrections back to homelessness. And so if this is what is supporting people through that fund for housing and homelessness, I'm wondering how the $179,000 actually funds that process? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

I'm sorry, if the Member could repeat the question; I didn't quite catch the end.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Can you repeat your question, Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

I can be way more specific. Thank you, Madam Chair. How much does it actually cost to reintegrate offenders into our communities in the Northwest Territories, because I'm not sure that $179,000 actually accomplishes what we're setting out to accomplish. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Chair. That's a big question. I'm not sure if I can put a price tag on how much it costs to reintegrate an offender. There's the practical considerations of depending on where the person is going back to. So if you're going back to Sachs Harbour, things are going to be more costly than if you're going to somewhere like Fort Smith. And because we've had relatively low numbers and the program is still relatively new, I can't provide an average cost or anything like that to the Member yet. But I'd be happy to ensure that the department does that work so that the next time the department is up here, there could be more information for the Member. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, my concern is that this funding pot here is not actually providing people with the -- or maybe, sorry, let me rephrase that. This funding pot is not providing the department with the tools that it needs in order to stop the cycle between homelessness and incarceration. And I understand that there's programming involved in that, it's not just housing, but I don't think that this funding pot actually helps people access stable housing. And so if it's simply housing that people are looking for -- what I'm -- okay. People are leaving our correctional facilities and they are going back to the street straight from there. If we have a team of people who are responsible for finding housing, is this enough money for Justice to be able to actually help people access that housing when they leave corrections?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. So for a while there, there was very few people going through the therapeutic community. I think there's four or five right now. And so these are relatively low numbers. This is not a fund for everyone who is incarcerated. It is only for those people going through the therapeutic community. And so far, we haven't seen indication that we need to increase it. But as we have more experience, we'll be able to make that determination. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Is there a funding pot that supports people who are leaving incarceration from our other correctional facilities, for example, North Slave correctional centre here in Yellowknife? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. I'd like to hand it to the deputy minister.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Deputy minister Doolittle.

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Doolittle

Thank you, Madam Chair. We do have some beds at the Salvation Army but as soon as offenders or inmates are in our facilities, case planning begins. So their case manager works with the community that they're in or that they're going to. They also work with the integrated case management folks here in Yellowknife, or if not in Yellowknife, interagency services, to support finding people homes where they need to or a place to live. So that's all part of their case planning. And they don't -- they wouldn't send them out without addressing that issue. So thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.