Debates of March 7th, 2023
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This is from the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was know.
Topics
- Oral Questions
- Members Present
- Prayer
- Minister's Statement 329-19(2): Celebrating Engineers and Geoscientists in the Northwest Territories
- Minister's Statement 330-19(2): Homelessness Programs Offered by Housing NWT
- Minister's Statement 331-19(2): Celebrating National Social Work Month
- Minister's Statement 332-19(2): Minister Absent from the House
- Member's Statement 1436-19(2): Child and Youth Care Counsellors
- Member's Statement 1437-19(2): Future of Local Housing Organizations
- Member's Statement 1438-19(2): Fort Simpson Diesel Plant Upgrade
- Member's Statement 1439-19(2): Renovation Delays Effects on School
- Member's Statement 1440-19(2): Crack Cocaine Addictions in Tlicho Communities
- Member's Statement 1441-19(2): Surety Bond Review
- Member's Statement 1442-19(2): Homelessness
- Member's Statement 1443-19(2): Open for Business - Hay River South Office
- Member's Statement 1444-19(2): Streamline Services and Share Resources: health Authority
- Member's Statement 1445-19(2): Eulogy for Jessie May Snider
- Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
- Committee Report 47-19(2): Standing Committee on Social Development Report on Homelessness Prevention: Supporting Pathways to Housing NWT Residents
- Question 1439-19(2): Four Portables Brought into the Community
- Question 1440-19(2): Evaluation of Programs at Child and Youth Care Counsellors
- Question 1441-19(2): Fort Simpson Diesel Plant
- Question 1442-19(2): Surety Bond Review
- Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
- Question 1444-19(2): Homelessness
- Question 1445-19(2): Local Housing Organization Funding
- Question 1446-19(2): Child and Youth Care Counsellors Staff Integration
- Question 1447-19(2): Back-Up Generators during an Outage
- Question 1448-19(2): Child and Youth Care Counsellor Equivalencies
- Return to Written Question 58-19(2): Frank Channel Bridge Replacement
- Tabled Document 876-19(2): Government of the Northwest Territories Bridge Inspection Form - Frank Channel Bridge, July 2021 Tabled Document 877-19(2): Stantec Consulting Ltd. 2021 Frank Channel Bridge Inspection Report dated February 12, 2022
- Tabled Document 878-19(2): Plain Language Summary for Bill 72: Opioid Damages and Health Care Costs Recovery Act
- Tabled Document 879-19(2): What We Heard: A Forest Act for the NWT, February 2023
- Tabled Document 880-19(2): Letter dated December 26, 2022 from Alternatives North regarding Comments on Forest Act Summary of Policy Intentions
- Motion 75-19(2): Maximum Allowable Rent Increase for Private Rental Units
- Motion 76-19(2): Extended Adjournment of the House to march 27, 2023
- Bill 76: An Act to Amend the Electoral Boundaries Commission Act
- Bill 72: Opioid Damages and Health Care Costs Recovery Act, Carried
- Bill 73: An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 4, Carried
- Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
- Committee Motion 371-19(2): Tabled Document 813-19(2): 2023-2024 Main Estimates - Legislative Assembly - Deferral of Department (Page 5), Carried
- Committee Motion 372-19(2): Tabled Document 813-19(2): 2023-2024 Main Estimates - Environment and Climate Change - Deferral of Department (Page 73), Carried
- Report Of Committee Of The Whole
- Orders Of The Day
Question 1442-19(2): Surety Bond Review
Oral Questions

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. I just don't really understand why the work with the Intergovernmental Council can happen in parallel with public engagement. This department and others just seem to leave the public engagement to the very end of the process. By then all the important decisions are made; it's too late.
So, you know, can the Minister tell us if there is actually going to be any meaningful public engagement on the development of the Public Land Act regulations including the forms of acceptable financial security? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
Question 1442-19(2): Surety Bond Review
Oral Questions

Shane Thompson Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned, stakeholder engagement is anticipated to continue into late spring of 2023. Public engagement and section 35 consultation with Indigenous governments and Indigenous organizations is anticipated to occur until the late spring of 2023. The public land use regulations will establish accessible forms of security for disposition of public lands. Mr. Speaker, we are working on trying to get this done by the end of this sitting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 1442-19(2): Surety Bond Review
Oral Questions
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Last year, NTHSSA's one-year deficit hit a record high of $33 million and yesterday the Minister confirmed that this year's deficit would be in the same ballpark. That would push our accumulated deficit over $200 million. The Minister also stated that the health sustainability office is dealing with the problem but that doesn't seem to be producing any results. So what are the challenges that the sustainability office is having to reduce this deficit, Mr. Speaker?
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.
Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. Minister responsible for Health and Social Services.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thanks to the Member for the question. The office is now fully staffed. For a while there was an issue with staffing in the office so that they could do their work but that is not an issue at this point.
The basic issue is that it's like playing whack-a-mole in the Department of Health and Social Services. When we finish paying for one thing, another thing needs funding. And this has really become more acute in the time that I've been Minister of Health and Social Services. There are more calls for more services to be covered by our health system than ever before without any commensurate means of looking at ways to increase revenue, decrease non-core services, or in other ways to try and bring our finances into alignment. So the result is that we -- that the NTHSSA was not properly funded when it was created. It's still not properly funded. And the situation that we find ourselves in is that we run a deficit annually. And as the Member knows, the last deficit was $33 million. Thank you.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yeah, so the Minister -- will the Minister commit to public reporting in the next NTHSSA annual report on what results the sustainability office achieves, because I know with what she's saying that they're fully staffed now, because that would have been my second question if they have enough resources but, can we know what their achievements are so that we -- you know, so if they're -- the work that they're doing is actually producing end results. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday during the mains examination of the department, I committed to a confidential briefing to the committee on accountability and oversight of the NTHSSA finances, what savings have been realized, what pressures are driving costs up, and so I'm going to repeat that here again today. At a very high level, it can be included in the annual report. But my caution about that is that the annual report won't be out until the fall, and it won't cover anything that happens after the end of this month. So the timeliness of that document is not great. Thank you.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So if the Minister won't be able to commit to the -- because of the timing, then can the Minister commit to some type of public -- I mean, different departments have different ways to show this publicly. Maybe, like, my colleague always asks for it online so we could see how they're -- it's like the child and family services, you could check to see how you're doing and what things are being done. So will the Minister commit to something like that so the public knows that you're doing the work. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure what exactly is possible. But I believe that it's important to provide accountability to the public for both our spending and our debts. And so I will work with the department to develop some kind of public reporting. I can't say right now whether that will be online or not. But I will work towards public accountability on this public reporting. Thank you.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.
Thank you, Minister. Time supplementary. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you for that, to the Minister. Is the Minister confident that the NTHSSA deficit will be less than $30 million next year? Is there a target as to what they're hoping to be under or -- I guess that's my final question, because I'm not sure much more I can ask on this topic.Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre
Yes, thank you. Mr. Speaker, I don't have a firm idea of what the deficit will be. I know that we're paying more for travel; we're paying more for freight; we're paying more for drugs; we're paying more for staff, especially because we have so much temporary staff and they are expensive to acquire and work here. So I am very concerned about all those things that are driving costs up. And on the other side, there is uncertainty about the revenue that we're going to get from Canada through the CHT and the tailored bilaterals, whether they're going to renew the Territorial Health Investment Fund. So there are just so many unknowns at this point that all I can say is I will buy the Member lunch if we don't have a deficit. Thank you.
Question 1443-19(2): Health and Social Services Deficit
Oral Questions
Question 1444-19(2): Homelessness
Oral Questions

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, it's kind of been a long march to one day the GNWT would have a plan to address homelessness. You kind of think it would be something we'd have in the first place, but I'm hoping that the Premier could give us some good news and update the House on when the strategy to address homelessness will be complete? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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