Madam Chair, thank you. I don't know that with certainty, so I don't want to surmise here. I just -- I'm showing a contract value. Now, whether there'd be some additional annual fee, I would anticipate so, but I don't have that here. So I will confirm, and we'll get back to committee. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I would, yeah, like that to committee, of the total cost. My understanding was it was going to cost millions of dollars to build this software and then probably some licensing fees ongoing after that. And some of that, you know, I know is found in capital and some in operations so I was under a different understanding. But I think if committee could get a general update on what's going on here, this is one of those -- there's a lot of people. We're the last jurisdiction left in Canada without online map staking. It would be really nice to have a firm deadline. I get it has to go through the regs first but a bit of an update before the end of this Assembly would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, there is also, you know, a lot of concurrency here with the Land Tenure Optimization System, or LTOS, and that will certainly be a significant factor as in there will be, I expect, some additional costs, and probably not insignificant costs. That is the bigger picture system and MARS is one part of that. So yes. Short answer though is yes, happy to ensure that we can give a bigger update to committee. Some of that may be confidential depending on contracts state but as much as can be made public, I'll certainly make note that we provide that as well. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Yeah, thanks. My colleagues from Yellowknife North asked some of the questions I wanted to. So this $175,000 that's being carried over, was any money spent on this MARS thing in 2022-2023? Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, Madam Chair, $284,000. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Yeah, thanks. Yeah, the number that kind of sticks in my head is the cost for the whole project was something like about $3.4 million. But does that ring a bell with anybody, any of my friends over there? Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, let me go back and double check. I mean, I'm showing various carry over amounts over the year over year, but I don't know that I have a total project in front of me. So at the risk of being inaccurate, again, I will confirm -- I will make sure that we can get that to committee unless we get it here in the next few seconds from someone else in cyberspace. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake, did you have further questions, or do you want to give them time?

Thanks, Madam Chair. Well, I got eight and a half minutes left on the clock; I probably don't need it all but I'm happy to give them a minute or two to find it. Thanks.

Minister, would you have the information?

Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, it's like watching a kettle boil. It's now not going to happen. And, Madam Chair, I do have numbers. I just want to ensure there's numbers -- as I say, it does show, you know, revised budgets year over year and capital carryovers but I'm not convinced that what I'm seeing is showing a total project budget. As well, Madam Chair, I think there's a total project budget but that also -- I'm not sure if that is strictly the infrastructure side of it or if it also included some of the other costs. So that is what I'd like to ensure if we're going to get this out there. So it may well be that I need to confirm that to the House tomorrow, to my colleagues tomorrow. I think the Member's correct that there's a roughly 3 to $4 million total project budget, but that's the total project budget and not necessarily the infrastructure associated with MARS. So that's the distinction I'm drawing. I think the numbers my colleagues have are correct. But, again, some of that may have been added staffing, supports, etcetera, research analysis, that went into developing the MARS and not just the MARS system. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

Yeah, okay, no, thanks. I look forward to getting that information and if there's a way to kind of show the cash flow over time, I think that would be really helpful.

I guess more of a comment from me now, Madam Chair. I'm not quite as anxious to jump to claim -- sorry, map staking from claim staking as my colleague from Yellowknife North because I think there's still some really significant policy questions that really haven't been explored in any way. You know, and part of that is, you know, how much is it going to -- are the fees going to remain the same because we don't want to create -- well, I certainly don't think it's helpful to create a staking rush where people can go and tie up land and not do anything exploration on it, so.

And that's been the experience with some other jurisdictions that have gone to map staking. I've asked the Minister about this before and I don't think I've really gotten good answers. But that can of worms has to be opened at some point and needs to be part of a public debate about what those fees are going to look like to prevent unnecessary speculation and ensure that there's actually a fair return to the public purse if we do move to map staking. So I'll just leave it at that, Madam Chair, and I look forward to being into that can of worms pretty soon. Thank you.

Thank you. Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2023-2024, Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, capital investment expenditures, minerals and petroleum resources, not previously authorized, $175,000. Does committee agree?

Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2023-2024, Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, capital investment expenditures, tourism and parks, not previously authorized, $2,829,000. Does committee agree? Member for Frame Lake.

Yeah, thanks, Madam Chair. Look, I really love the North Arm Park; we often stop there. We've actually camped there once. But there's about five or six different line items in here for different parts of this park. You know, gatehouse living quarters, the outhouse dump station, electrical project. What is going on with this? There's even more on the next -- sorry, even on the second page for a playground. What's going on with the whole thing? Like, why is this continually being carried over and what's going on? Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Minister.