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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to sort of expand a bit on some things that my colleagues have talked about. Yes, there is a massive amount of money in here for infrastructure which does includes roads, but as my colleague from Monfwi pointed out, a big part of that is the Frank Channel Bridge. Another piece of that is also the Great Bear River Bridge planning study and as well a lot of -- there's at least five highway reconstruction projects. And I think it's worth noting that for the first time in a while under ICIP, I believe we are seeing 100 percent dollars for this funding. So while the amount of money that looks like it's being spent is disproportionate on highways and roads, it is actually, in fact, largely funded 100 percent through the federal government, or at least 75 percent. So that's a bunch of money that comes in that basically keeps our main industry or business industry alive, which is our construction industry. So to me, the $94 million on highways and roads actually shows an increase in investment from the federal government into our infrastructure deficit. And I'm really pleased to see the 100 percent dollars, which was always something that I've said from day one that we needed to be pushing the federal government on because we can't afford to pay the way a province does. We don't have the same revenue sources. So when I look at that, I'm quite pleased. And the same when I look at airports and runways. Yes, it looks like a really large number, $62 million, but Madam Chair, you know from that in your own region, a large portion of that is the Inuvik highway -- sorry, the Inuvik runway expansion and the terminal buildings, which is 100 percent funded by the Department of National Defence.

So while these numbers look like they're very heavily weighted over towards more of the roads and industrial type work, it's not a full picture to say that -- like, to sort of express that as being GNWT money and GNWT investment when clearly it is more about the federal government than it is about us. And often, as we noted numerous times in this House, we cannot afford -- we are not allowed to move money from certain pots of funding from the federal government to other pots. So this is not a questioning of housing versus roads. They come from two different sources in the federal government.

So I am disappointed though, however, to see that the housing is only at $13 million. I struggle after four years to understand where the houses have actually shown up for all this money that the Minister speaks to getting. I see stuff in communities that -- when I speak to the communities when we were on committee tour, they told me they worked with the federal government directly, they got those houses. So I'm not quite sure what housing has been doing. And I hope $13 million here actually means $13 million in units on the ground and not $13 million that half is sloughed off to administrative costs and bureaucracy. This department needs to get under control the fact that they are a social programming department and stop, you know, middle managing and not getting their money out the door properly.

So I think with that being said, I just also wanted to echo the disappointed in seeing the dismally low number for the schools. We did tours for -- we went on tour for the Education Act or with committee and as an engineer -- I'm not a building engineer so I'm not going to profess to have that expertise, but I know when I can go in and look at a school and see that the entire floor of the school is being jacked up and held up by plywood on the ground and jacks to hold it in place to keep the building from falling down, the buildings all smell. As a Minister, I went into Aklavik school on a tour with Cabinet, and I could smell mildew in the gym, and that's their hall. That's what they use for every single event that's ever held in Aklavik is in that school. So what is that doing to our health care and to the people's health in those regions?

This government has not been serious or taken really to heart the mandate item to actually improve the educational outcomes of students to the rest of Canada because how could they even begin if they're in schools that are making them sick and are not full of the equipment and the things that they need to learn. And that's when you consider students that are probably starting at an equal footing, and then we have students that aren't even coming from an equal footing with southern Canada. So I have to say that this is actual quite shameful, that it's only $3 million for schools considering that I sat here now and listened to my colleagues from Nunakput and Monfwi talk about the schools that are lacking and then yet I was -- had been invited to the opening ceremony of the beautiful new school here in Yellowknife. So the school that was here in Yellowknife that it replaced would have stayed in a community for another 40 years like that, just being shored up and fixed up, but because it was Yellowknife it was replaced. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Are there any Members who haven't spoken to general comments? Seeing none, we'll proceed to the details tabled in the document. Does the Minister wish to bring witnesses into the Chamber?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Yes, please, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Sergeant-at-arms, please escort the witness into the Chamber.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Minister, would you introduce your witnesses.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, with me, I have the deputy minister of finance, Bill MacKay. And I have Kristal Melanson, director for the management board secretariat.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Welcome. Does committee agree to proceed to the detail contained in the tabled document?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Committee, the Legislative Assembly begins on page 14. We'll defer the Legislative Assembly totals and review the estimates by activity summary beginning at page 15 with Office of the Clerk with information items on page 16. Are there any questions?

Legislative Assembly, Office of the Clerk, infrastructure investments, $105,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Members, please turn now to the Legislative Assembly found on page 14. Legislative Assembly, 2024-2025 Capital Estimates. $105,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Does committee agree that consideration of the Legislative Assembly is now complete?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Committee, we will now consider the Department of Education, Culture and Employment which begins on page 17. We will defer the departmental totals, review the estimates by activity summary beginning at page 18 with culture, heritage, and languages with information items on page 19.

Department of Education, Culture and Employment, culture, heritage and languages, infrastructure investments, $490,000. Does committee agree? Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. So I see there's two items here, the Hay River library sidewalk. I've been to the library. It's a nice one. I'm glad to hear they're going to fix the sidewalk; that's great. I guess -- the Minister probably knows that I love the archives. It's been -- I actually go over there and spend time. So what's the money here for the archives? What's that all about? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the facilities that are currently being used to house all of the territorial archives are not at national standards. This is meant to be, at this point, just a temporary stop gap measure in advance of a full standalone archives being a project that can be contemplated. But at this point, we do need to protect those cultural materials. So this is meant to be that work to get that process underway. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Okay, thanks. Yeah, fully in agreement. I've been pushing and trying to hope for the last eight years that something would be done because the archives is overflowing. I've been for at least a couple of tours there. The stuff is not in any kind of climate-controlled facility. Is this for the archives building itself, or is this the offsite storage? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I do believe this does take into account the offsite materials which are noted to not be currently and as already noted not in an environmentally controlled state. So this is, again, to, I believe, take all of that into account and support that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Yeah, thanks. Yeah, so the offsite storage, for anybody who's listening, is actually the government warehouse over on Byrne Road, has no climate control whatsoever. The records that are there, as I understand it actually, you know, they take in a significant part of the history of this government moving to Yellowknife, all of the work that's been done on devolution, negotiations of agreements, really important records. They're sitting over in a government warehouse without any temperature control. That's just not a good idea. I doubt that we're actually in basic legal compliance with the Archives Act. And that's going to be the subject of a statement and questions coming up, Madam Chair. But, you know, what's the long-term plan here? I've seen so many plans for actually building a proper archives building, and it all comes down to we're not going to do it because it costs too much money. So what's the long-term plan here other than spending, I don't know, a couple hundred thousand dollars or whatever it is to try to fix up a really bad situation in the first place. What's the long-term plan or vision here? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Finance.