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Question 179-20(1): Midwifery Services
Oral Questions

Kate Reid

Kate Reid Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not want to break any rules, so I suppose I don't have any further questions. Thank you.

Question 179-20(1): Midwifery Services
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member. And I apologize, I should have called that at the beginning there.

Oral questions. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on May 5th, 2023, the MACA Minister wrote to the Worship Mayor of Fort Resolution, Patrick Simon, citing the Hamlet Act for failing to meet their obligations, so they pulled the trigger to take over third party management of Fort Resolution. But at the same time, it's been a year, and MACA, they're still not taking responsibility of Fort Resolution with following their own rules and procedures, so that's concerning.

Mr. Speaker, MACA has been responsible for governing Fort Resolution for a year but still has not implemented an emergency plan nor have the proper support of the community emergency services. Another fire this weekend burned down several housing units. Mr. Speaker, we just don't want to have a repeat of what happened in Enterprise.

So my question to the Minister Vince McKay is will MACA work with Housing NWT to rebuild the homes lost in Fort Resolution this past weekend? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Minister of MACA.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

Vince McKay

Vince McKay Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are well aware of the situation that happened in Fort Resolution this weekend. During the whole event, Cabinet was made aware of the situation and communication was constantly ongoing to ensure the safety of the residents of Fort Resolution.

To the question, MACA has engaged with housing, and they're leading the work in respect to the homes that have been lost in Fort Resolution. Thank you.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you, Minister. What are MACA's plans to deal with the nearby wildfire if it begins to move toward the community of Fort Resolution as there are no emergency plans in place? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

Vince McKay

Vince McKay Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Wildfires are the responsibility of ECC. When it comes into the community, the Department of MACA will be involved. Even prior to it coming to the community, the Department of MACA will be involved. We will have staff, a regional EMO, local EMO, involved during that time to prepare of any potential emergency. That being said, the emergency plan has been continually being worked on. It's been involved in the community to -- or it's been communicated to the community for involvement from NGOs and other agencies. And the draft plan is expected to be completed by middle to end of -- or early June, sorry. And once completed, it will be available publicly to all residents of Fort Resolution. Thank you.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Minister. As you know, I mentioned that water intake lines in Fort Resolution has been a problem for last year, and as the water is receding. And the fire over the weekend just added to the problem because the fire was drawing so much water, the water intake lines couldn't keep up with the demand. And so is the Minister going to address this issue so that whether we move the lines out further just so that we could keep up with the demand? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

May 27th, 2024

Vince McKay

Vince McKay Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The water plant was operating as designed. 60,000 liters is required for fire flow, and Fort Resolution has 129,000 liters capacity. The fire took an exceptional amount of water. Because of that, the Department of Infrastructure was notified, and a water tanker truck was brought in from Hay River to support the fire fight efforts. Also, we are going to work with the community to look at doing a fire flow bypass in the water intake for the community in the case of need of emergency, but also we are looking at other options for getting water off the lake in case of an emergency. Thank you.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Final supplementary. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my next question is that we had a firefighter that had injuries, broke his hip, and the other one has problems breathing. Does MACA have anything in place or the hamlet of Fort Resolution right now to look at how we could cover some of these injuries and his loss of work, etcetera? Thank you.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

Vince McKay

Vince McKay Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are aware of the injury during the fire fight. That being said, the hamlet is reviewing the insurance coverage with the insurance provider for the incident, and MACA's also going to be working with the administrator to assist in the confirmation of the insurance policies for the fire department. Thank you.

Question 180-20(1): Fort Resolution Emergency Plan and Emergency Services
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Oral questions. Member from Range Lake.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in February of this year, my friend, the Minister of Health and Social Services, had mentioned that she was going to raise the issue of agency nursing at the national level, in particular with the Minister -- the federal Minister of Health. So can she report back on what efforts she's made? I note that other provinces have now committed to banning or severely reducing the use of agency nurses. Where are we at? Thank you.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Range Lake. Minister of Health and Social Services.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was able to meet with the Minister of Health. I attended the meeting, alongside two members from the Council of Leaders. We discussed the issues that related to the Northwest Territories. Agency nurse was one of them. This is a discussion that is continuing at the federal level, and there is a Ministers' meeting that will be happening I think in the fall time and that is, again, on that agenda. But I would just like to make -- also aware that right now in the Northwest Territories, we do only have five agency nurses, which are working in obstetrics right now, to make sure that we can still provide those services in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it costs the government $4.4 million last year in private agency nurses. That's equivalent to 31 positions. So I'm not sure if it's seven agency nurses to 31 public nurses, but that's a staggering ratio and the amount of money we're spending on these. So we need to put a stop to it. We need to wean ourselves off this addiction to private agency nurses. They're not working for our staff. They're not working for Northerners. I appreciate we want to keep the lights on in obstetrics, but there must be other solutions.

So can the Minister bring forward a plan working with the authority on staffing OBS without the use of private agency nurses, and can she bring it forward tomorrow? Thank you.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And, yes, I can say that we are changing the staffing model in obstetrics, which is being done to support the obstetric nurses as per some of the concerns that have been brought up over the years. And, Mr. Speaker, you know, when we talk about the cost that agency nurses have cost, the cost that it cost the government for closing down the obstetric unit for two months was $1 million. So if we were to close it down, that's 700 births in the Northwest Territories annually in the obstetrics unit in Yellowknife, those people would have to travel. Two months it cost us a million. So a year, and putting those families, displacing those families, if we don't come up with -- you know, if we can't staff it, that is a priority too. You know, we have to look at all different sides of it. And that's my job to be able to do that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we hired 84 nurses -- frontline nurses last year and of those 84, 69 left. Recruitment's become a revolving door. We must have a solution. We must staff these wards. So OBS worked just fine until it stopped working. What was working at OBS that's not working now; can the Minister tell us. Thank you.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like I said in the House before, we haven't used agency nurses. We've been able to recruit, retain. You know, the salary of nurses hasn't changed. And so the other territories and provinces are starting to compete better. There's lots of different things that are in place that is challenging us to recruit. COVID, many people left the health care field. That is the biggest impact on our health care system. And we're still trying to recover from that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services. Final supplementary. Member from Range Lake.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just for -- if my arithmetic's right, that's 15 net frontline positions that we were able to recruit from last year. And I think that's a shame. We need to do something. I'm going to propose, again, that the Minister work on phasing out agency nurses within a period of time, so let's throw a date out there. Will the Minister agree to phase out agency nurses by the end of 2026? Thank you.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will not commit to anything that would impact our patients' health. And so if there are ways to get around this that we can increase our staffing and our workflow and maybe the changes that we're making in obstetrics right now will help to better. But it's not just obstetrics, you know. There's other areas in our small communities that we are struggling to get health CHNs, so community health nurses. Those health centres shut down, it's going to impact those communities greatly. You know, so there's so many things that we need to look at before we just discontinue the use of agency nurses. I'd rather not use them. I'd rather not use them. I'd rather use that money to keep it in the territory. And, you know, if there's more nurses that want to train in obstetrics or in community health nurses, you know, that's something that we're trying to develop. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 181-20(1): Agency Nursing
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services. Oral questions. Member from Inuvik Boot Lake.

Question 182-20(1): Marine Transportation Services Review
Oral Questions

Denny Rodgers

Denny Rodgers Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my statement I spoke about MTS and the need to think outside the box with some suggestions. One of those suggestions, Mr. Speaker, was looking at moving all or part of the operation further north to Inuvik or Tuktoyaktuk, and I know the department is currently doing a review. Can I ask the Minister of Infrastructure if part of that review will look at relocating some of MTS to the north? Thank you.