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Member's Statement 450-20(1): Acknowledging the Passing of Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh Constituents
Members' Statements

February 6th, 2025

Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Mr. Speaker, before I focus on the vital work we must do together in this House, I must first report with a heavy heart of the tragedies that have so deeply affected my Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh communities in the recent months. We dedicate Christmas seasons to our families and loved ones, but sadly this year, our communities were grieving. One after another, I have attended funerals and Celebration of Life to grieve with my community members and their families, and I still grieve with them when I return to my constituency meetings or just a call to check in because the losses are so great; there is still much mourning taking place.

Last year in N'dilo, we lost a respected elder Alex Beaulieu, and then tragically, his son, more recently in the new year, the loss of Roland Conrad also deeply affected the community as well. The Beaulieus are a big family here in the North, and sadly, the loss of Gail Beaulieu, a respected elder who also was a nurse in the Fort Resolution for over 30 plus years. And Tom Beaulieu, Tommy Beaulieu, who is also a respected elder who also worked for the GNWT for 30 plus years in Fort Resolution for the GNWT. As well the people of Fort Resolution experienced even more loss with the respective passing of a young man Anthony King; a well-respected elder Eddie Fabien; a respected elder Nancy Hunter; and another respected elder Kenny Jean Reimer. Further the loss of the late respected elder who also we all know here in the House and also a translator was the late Tom Unka who was also a respected elder from our community. From so closely we felt and had worked in this building for 15 years with Mr. Unka, and my heart goes out to the families. The loss of another young man Jason Larocque and Sky Champagne, another young lady. It was also a painful experience for the community given their very young age.

The community of Lutselk'e unfortunately experienced their share of profound sorrows as well this Christmas. They also lost Cathy Marlowe, Jamie Sanderson, and Adam Casaway, and their community will never be the same without them. These deep personal losses made for at Christmastime of much grieving and sorrow. The loss of so many elders in such short period of time is a profound reminder that this generation who raised us and guided us are sadly now passing on. Certainly, all cultures cherish and value their elders but for Indigenous communities, we have lost so much to centuries of colonialism, their connection to our land, history, and will be hard to replace. But thankfully, the knowledge they have passed on through their teachings and story tellings, the knowledge of culture they have lived on the land since time immemorial, we will carry through into eternity because our generations will keep the spirit of all of our ancestors alive.

In the long term, their experience are our blessing and will keep us strong. But right now our hearts are still aching. Please pray for my communities, also to all the communities in the Northwest Territories who also lost loved ones in the recent months, because the hard times are easier when we face them together. I just want to say condolences with a heavy heart to all the families in my riding and to the families who lost loved ones over the holidays. Mahsi.

Member's Statement 450-20(1): Acknowledging the Passing of Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh Constituents
Members' Statements

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Our condolences go out to all the families and our prayers.

Members' statements. Motions.

Before we go any further, I'd like to look up into the gallery and recognize Mr. Marc Whitford, president from North Slave Metis. Thank you very much for coming to our Assembly.

Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Yellowknife Centre.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I almost jumped the gun on that one, and thank you for being as kind as you are. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize Ms. Katey Johnson. She is a Yellowknife Centre constituent, and she's certainly a very strong advocate for inclusive education. She's very smart and hardworking at this issue, and I hope the government heeds some of the lessons and excitement she brings with ideas she channels through me and other Members of this House. Thank you very much.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too want to recognize the North Slave Metis Alliance president Mr. Marc Whitford. Also, I want to acknowledge, again, it's good to see everybody here and all the translators. It's good to see you, welcome back. Mahsi. And lastly, Mr. Speaker, I want to thank everybody in the gallery. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Frame Lake.

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Julian Morse

Julian Morse Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Frame Lake is happy to boast that we have a young page in the House today, Mr. Jacob Couture is here, so thank you to him for all his work and all the pages, of course. And I'm not sure if he's actually still up there, but I saw a constituent, Matt Halliday, who is the new Chamber of Commerce executive director. He's had a busy job in front of him the past couple of weeks. So good to see him in the gallery. There was a couple other constituents who were in the gallery for the Budget Address but quickly disappeared. So thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Frame Lake. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Hay River North.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We're lucky to have a number of distinguished guests with us today in the gallery, and so I would like to recognize them. I'd like to recognize President Marc Whitford from the North Slave Metis Alliance, of course; Major Tony Brushett from the Salvation Army, a strong partner with the Government of the Northwest Territories; as well as from the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association, executive director Matthew Miller who was the president in the last term, and I worked with him closely, and current president, Ms. Rita Meuller, my former deputy minister and a mentor who I worked with very closely for a number of years, and we're happy to have them here. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Inuvik Twin Lakes.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize Dan Florizone, our newly appointed public administrator here today for the Northwest Territories health and social services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Member from Inuvik Twin Lakes. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Yellowknife South.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, again, I'm not sure who all is here, but I know that Gayla Thunstrom, the UNW president was here and she also happens to be a Yellowknife South resident. Also representing Yellowknife South here today, Mr. Speaker, North Slave Metis Alliance president Marc Whitford, and I'm very proud to say he is a resident of Yellowknife South. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife South. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Monfwi.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

I would like to acknowledge Ms. Rita Meuller. She lived in Behchoko for many years and a teacher and a principal, and she is the president of the NWT Teachers' Association. And I have known Rita since 1994 when she first moved to Behchoko, or in Edzo to work at the Chief Jimmy Bruneau School. So I would like to acknowledge and recognize her. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Great Slave.

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Kate Reid

Kate Reid Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too would like to recognize Ms. Meuller who is now the president of the NWT Teachers' Association. She was also my assistant deputy minister and one of the first people I talked to about my aspirations to be in this House, and she was very encouraging. I'd also like to say thank you very much to all Great Slave pages today in the Assembly. That would be Gabrielle, Sokhna, and Olivier. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Great Slave. Recognition of visitors in the gallery.

I'm going to embarrass Ms. Meuller a little bit. I can date her back to 1992 when she was our aquatics person way back when to our regional person, so I've known Rita, and she's given her heart and soul to the Northwest Territories whether it was through the departments or education. So I thank her very much for all that she does and continues to do, and she is a great mentor and supporter of youth in the Northwest Territories.

If we have missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to your chamber. I hope you enjoy the proceedings. It is always nice to see people in the gallery, and let's have a good day.

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Replies to the Budget Address, Day 1 of 7. Nobody wants to do it, eh? Nobody at all? Sorry, had a little bit of fun. Member from Range Lake.

Reply -20(1): By Mr. Testart
Replies To The Budget Address

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

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Mr. Speaker, let me tell you a story about perseverance and determination. It's about a place where the people are as rugged as the land they call home; where, despite the vast distances between each community, everyone knows everyone. It's about a government that has been tested time and time again by flood, fire, and pestilence, and rose to the occasion when its people needed it most. I am, of course, telling the story of the Northwest Territories. I am proud to be a part of this story. The NWT is my home, and it's the most spectacular place on earth. Nowhere can you find such stark natural beauty, pristine nature, and bountiful resources. From the shores of Great Slave Lake to the riverbanks of the Mighty Mackenzie and all the way to the vast Arctic Ocean, Northerners have occupied these lands since time immemorial, and this is no easy task.

For most of the year, our climate is an active danger to those who are unprepared, and you never know when a wolf, bear, or wolverine is right around the corner. But this experience is what breeds resilience in our people and provides us with the spark of creativity and ingenuity to do so much more with so much less. This is the story of the North, Mr. Speaker. It is our story.

Today, a new chapter is being written and it comes with much uncertainty. Yes, inflation continues to challenge our cost of living. Yes, our diamond mines are closing. Yes, we face the likely imposition of US tariffs. And yet even so, I remain optimistic for our future for if we, as a territory so small in population but so big on ambition, can overcome so much with grit and nerve, well, we can overcome these challenges and build a stronger future for our children and grandchildren.

At $2.5 billion, this budget has the second largest revenue gain in the history of the Northwest Territories. We boast a double A credit rating and are on the cusp of unlocking more fiscal flexibility to invest in our future, grow our economy, and create good jobs for all our residents. We have renewed alliances with Indigenous nations and brought new resources in from the federal government to meet our most pressing needs. Canada's National Arctic and Northern Policy Framework promises new investment and security for our communities as they fulfill their destiny as the custodians of Canada's sovereignty in an international contest for dominance in the North.

Mr. Speaker, our economy may be changing but our government's historic strong financial stewardship has prepared us for what we have always known was coming. We've managed the boom and bust cycle before but this time we have built a robust public administrative sector in our economy that acts as a stabilizing force for the often unpredictable cycles inherent to natural resources. While some in the past may have questioned why the GNWT has expanded its workforce to such a degree, well, this is why - to serve communities in times of economic turbulence and captain our economy back to prosperity. Northerners have nothing to fear. This government has got your back and we will continue to fight for you no matter the cost.

Mr. Speaker, I have a confession to make - I think this a very lovely story but sadly it's not the one we heard earlier today, and it's not the tone that has been set by this Cabinet. It's easy, as you can see, to draw on the strengths of the GNWT as a foundation for progress, but instead we hear time and time again from this government a tone that is both simultaneously overwhelmed and underwhelming. The government is broke; we're on the edge of the fiscal cliff; there's no money for your priorities, and on and on and on. This gloomy messaging is so pervasive that yesterday a constituent asked me, and honestly I might add, if the GNWT was declaring bankruptcy and shutting down and if so, what would happen to their government-backed loans.

The Member for Deh Cho often tells me that language is key to personal and professional success, that through proper messaging and positivity anyone can make things happen. It is a very wise message but seemingly lost on our speech writers as a government. So let's get into, Mr. Speaker, and tell the story of this budget. It starts and ends in the same place: The status quo.

Despite loudly proclaiming the fiscal sustainability strategy at the start of this Assembly — without the collaboration from Regular Members I might add, the GNWT continues to spend taxpayer money with abandon. Forced growth and new initiatives are supposedly held at $10 million a year and yet again we have in excess of $90 million in new spending, an overall -- an overall increase to the entire budget of 6.5 percent from the last estimates to the tune of $145.5 million.

Mr. Speaker, how are we supposed to tell our public servants they can't buy new pens and copier toner when we can't stick to our own promises on fiscal management? As we speak, nurses in the ER aren't allowed to buy ginger ale for patients, but we can blow past our spending caps without blinking an eye. Oh don't worry, if we hit the debt ceiling we can just ask for another billion dollars from the prime Minister. We already have a borrowing limit that equals our sister territories combined.

The public accounts do not lie, Mr. Speaker, and they paint a troubling picture. All financial health indicators point to a worsening economy burdened with public debt and totally reliant on federal transfer payments. Last year our resource royalties were a whopping zero dollars, which should continue to alarm Northerners, not because companies aren't paying their fair share but because so few of them are paying at all. This cannot continue. This government needs to take fiscal sustainability seriously or stop talking about it altogether because we're trying nothing, and we're all out of ideas.

Not only is this government failing to meet its sustainability goals, but its failing to meet its mandate to deliver on the priorities of the 20th Assembly. Of $2.375 billion, only $147.5 million are being used to fulfil our priorities. That's 6 percent. What political system delivers budgets where 94 percent of spending is directed by unelected public officials rather than elected representatives? If this isn't the tail wagging the dog, then what is, Mr. Speaker?

Mr. Speaker, there is another story I want to tell. It's about our potential to be so much more. My honourable friends of the Regular Member seats have pleaded with our decision makers to take more measured risks and swing for the fences. We have yet to see that happen. But let me give you an example of what could come -- from what could happen for the Northwest Territories from our commonwealth family.

The Channel Islands are an archipelago in the English Channel off the French coast of Normandy. They are divided into two United Kingdom Crown dependencies: The Bailiwick of Jersey, which is the larger of the islands, and the Bailiwick of Guernsey consisting of Guernsey, Alderney, Sark, Herm, and some smaller islands. When comparing the economies of Jersey and Guernsey, Jersey generally performs significantly better with larger GDP, higher GDP per capita, and stronger growth in recent years, largely driven by a thriving financial services sector, while Guernsey's economy has shown signs of stagnation or even decline compared to their neighbours. By the numbers, Guernsey's GDP is 3,488 million pounds, or $6,249 million Canadian, compared to Jersey's of 6.5 billion pounds, or $11 billion Canadian. This is a staggering difference between the two economies, and while there are many differences between the two states, the financial services sector is a major pillar of Jersey's economy, contributing significantly to its GDP. The growth and stability of this industry is not by accident. The island imposes a corporate tax rate of zero percent for most companies, with financial service firms only paying 10 percent, making it an attractive destination for businesses seeking tax advantages. A maximum income rate of 20 percent applies to people who establish residency in Jersey. Those prospective residents who are high net worth individuals must meet and sustain a minimum income of 1.2 million pounds, or about $1.5 million Canadian. Income that exceeds this minimum is subject to an additional 1 percent tax and while -- and no taxes are levied against capital gains or capital transfers.

So why are the affairs, Mr. Speaker, of these two tiny islands two oceans away important to this House? Because it shows how different that a change in tax policy has profoundly reshaped the fortunes of Jersey compared to its neighbour. This is a lesson we must learn in the Northwest Territories. There is no reason why Northerners need to be taxed to the level we are today considering the high cost of living and the many challenges to our continued growth. The revenues earned from personal and corporate income tax are dwarfed by federal transfers and the territorial funding -- territorial financing formula grant. Furthermore, decreasing tax revenues would not affect this funding formula, allowing us to keep earning a grant based on average taxation rates while we actually charge far less. This would be a huge incentive for corporations and individuals to relocate to the NWT to take advantage of these lower tax rates. We can also seek to negotiate an exemption to federal taxation here in the NWT to extend this advantage further.

Is this novel approach to tax policy that incentivizes the growth of a financial services industry a new thing? Absolutely. Is it risky? Totally. But when you consider that the generational changes that could be borne from such a move, we can't afford not to do it or something like it. Far too often this entire system of government is paralyzed by its own profound lack of imagination and ambition. We can and must dream bigger if we are to save the NWT from an economic crash that will be far worse than the austerity exercises that have been contemplated in the past. Instead of a cohesive plan that achieves balanced budgets while building a better future, we have a government that continues to fail to curb its own expenditures while actively making program delivery worse through marginal cuts. This has resulted in a loss of confidence from Northerners in our economy, not to mention a morale crisis that is spreading fast through the public service.

Mr. Speaker, it's time to get back on track. We have precious little time in this Assembly to course correct and start making the right investments in our future. It's time to undo the cuts that have hurt our constituents and start making some real change for our economy.

Mr. Speaker, here are some ideas that we can start moving forward on. We can end the income testing for extended health benefits that has added additional costs to constituents where many of them are telling me they are worse off today than they were a year ago when we first took office. We can end the consumer carbon tax and transition to a cap and trade model to ensure that polluters pay and consumers don't, and we take the tax burden off of everyday northern families and working people in the Northwest Territories. We can expand professional development funding for health care professionals who are currently limited to -- I believe it's $2,000 and have to share hotel rooms when they go to conferences instead of being able to learn and network at these important events and encourage more people, more health care workers, to come to the Northwest Territories. We can double the mineral incentive program, maybe even triple it, and expand that economic multiplier across our economy and bring more exploration projects into the Northwest Territories. We can expand community funding to 100 percent of what they're owed by our own formula financing. Let's find the money to do that because money spent on local economics has the greatest impact, far more impactful than money spent by the GNWT. We can cut tax rates for beer and cannabis producers. These are small industries, but they have the potential to create enormous growth. Right now, small brewers in Alberta employ more people than oil and gas. This is something that could support our tourism industry, and all they're looking for is a little help from our government.

Mr. Speaker, we need a rooting decision for the Taltson hydroelectric submarine cable line. We need to complete that expansion and bring power, cheap affordable clean power into the Slave Geological Province. We've waited too long for a decision. Now is the time, and this government needs to move forward on that as quickly as possible.

We need to expand community safety officer programs throughout the Northwest Territories. We have had one pilot on the books that continues to be extended. Communities are hurting. We just heard the honourable Member from Monfwi talk about it today. There are drug dealers in our communities. There is crime in our communities and community members don't feel safe. We can't afford to put a detachment in every community, but we can afford community safety officers.

We need to look at our NIHB commitments, our non-insured health care commitments, which are -- we operate on behalf of the federal government. And for why? We're not getting paid for that, and we're spending an enormous amount of our own treasure for something that we're not getting compensated for. We have a great partnership with the Council of Leaders, with Indigenous governments, all across the territory. Let's rely on them to get Ottawa to pay for this program that is their responsibility. And while we're at it, let's get them to cover Metis health benefits as well. These are decisions that require some political will and capital to achieve, and this is the kind of leadership that Northerners are looking for. We can cut costs by showing real leadership and going back to the negotiating table. It doesn't all have to be lost as to jobs and programs.

Mr. Speaker, Aurora College is not working. It's been very clear to me, and many Members of this House, that this institution is continuing to take -- we continue to throw good money after bad on this. The closure of the CLCs with no notice to this Assembly, or even the Minister, is shocking to say the least. And I think it's time we let them sink or swim on their own. I'm proposing a 30 percent cut to their funding. They should establish a foundation, do some fundraising, and find those resources on their own. It's time for them to learn how to be an independent institution and cut the GNWT leash.

Mr. Speaker, oil and gas needs to be part of our future as well. We are in an increasingly insecure time for Canada and for the West. We cannot rely on trading partners that we could ten years ago. We might not even be able to rely on the US. So we need to develop our own sources of energy. And now is the time to incentivize and encourage people to look for oil and gas resources in the Northwest Territories and develop the proven resource that we already have - Cameron Hills, the work that the Inuvialuit are doing on their natural gas plant and, of course, the offshore which comes up for renewal, the offshore moratorium which expires in 2027. Let's plan for that future because if we get one offshore drilling rig can replace -- or will exceed the royalties of all the diamond mines put together. And that is money we can invest in our future that doesn't come from taxpayers, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we continue to pay too much money on agency nurses, agency nurses that are taking away local jobs, local opportunities, and not providing continuity of care in our communities. These are expensive, unnecessary, and we need to solve the fundamental problems in our health care system with staffing and morale and not keep hiring expensive hired guns from the south that have no connection to our communities. Mr. Speaker, we need to phase them out. We need to phase them out by 2026.

Mr. Speaker, I talked about our friends in Jersey and Guernsey. Mr. Speaker, it's time for a tax cut for personal income tax. It's also time for a tax cut in corporate income tax. As I said, these are -- we'll lose some revenue but the gains of an increased population of taking the edge off the cost of living, these are things we should be looking for and things we can deliver, Mr. Speaker. And I understand that chambers of commerce, that local banks, they've looked at this, they've explored this, let's work with them and bring a proposal forward for the Minister of Finance to execute. Let's lower the taxes now. It's not time to wait on this. It's time to act. Let's get ahead of things and start building a generational change for our future.

Mr. Speaker, if we legalize online gaming, something that I'm proponent of, we could bring in 7 to $8 million, as much as that in additional revenue for no administrative cost. Just imagine what we could do with that extra money. Imagine the jobs it would save, the programs it would save, the debt we could pay off just from writing a piece of legislation or some regulations. This is something we must do. It's something that is long overdue. And I know the Minister has said he is supportive, so I look forward to working with all the Cabinet on that one because I think taxation is something we need. But we can't be afraid of it. We can't be afraid of these industries that have a bad reputation because they're there, they're happening, and as long as they're unregulated, we can't keep people safe from them.

Mr. Speaker, we are putting enormous burdens on our schools and students and teachers with curriculum changes, with decaying infrastructure, things we need to invest in. Some places haven't had school replacements for a long time. It's time to look at our schools and -- especially the decisions that we place on them and fund them properly, especially therapeutic services. These are at-risk services because they are expensive, they're difficult to staff, but without them our kids will be even farther left behind, and Indigenous kids, in particular, will be most hardest hit if we pull back on therapeutic services. Currently, in Yellowknife at least, it's the school boards who are providing the lion's share of that funding. We need to help them succeed.

Mr. Speaker, we can offer -- we need to incentivize frontline workers in our health care system. We can only do that if we start spending more money on shift premiums, on labour market supplements, on retention bonuses for frontline nurses, doctors, and allied health care staff. We need to make the floor a desirable place to be because currently people are fleeing it like it's on fire. And that's not good for morale. It's creating staff shortages. I can show you numbers that would make your head spin, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I have many more ideas, and we'll take time speaking about them, but this is what we should be looking at, ways to do business differently, not status quo budgets that aren't moving the needle. How many more times are we going to have the same thing presented in this House whilst we're being told we're not allowed to spend money? Sustainability is the order of the day. If sustainability is the order of the day, let's see some reductions and they're just not there.

So, Mr. Speaker, I will be reviewing this budget. I will be presenting further ideas, but I am unsatisfied, my constituents are dissatisfied, and they're alarmed. We need to do better as a government, and we need to build a better future for the Northwest Territories. And I look forward to the debates in this chamber because we are far from doing that with Budget 2025. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Reply -20(1): By Mr. Testart
Replies To The Budget Address

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Range Lake. Replies to Budget Address, Day 1 of 7. Member from Frame Lake.

Reply -20(1): By Mr. Morse
Replies To The Budget Address

Julian Morse

Julian Morse Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm going to be trying something a little bit different this year. Last year I spent a couple of weeks honing and writing a statement that ended up running out of about 20 minutes and had every possible idea that I could put into it, not unlike the Member for Range Lake that just laid out quite a -- I don't know what to call that -- a mandate, I suppose. But what I'm going to give this year is an initial reaction to the budget. You know, we just heard the Minister's speech, and I want to some of my initial thoughts, and just to hedge that with saying, you know, obviously, the budget is now out. I want an opportunity to engage with my constituents, hear from people, hear if people have concerns with anything, and develop kind of a final position on it after doing that.

Mr. Speaker, something that stood out to me, I had a constituency meeting on Monday, and I reached out to a colleague and said, you know, in some ways I'm a bit unsure how to react to this budget. There's not a whole lot in there to get very angry or particularly excited about. And, again, maybe I need to be changing the coffee that I'm drinking in the morning because certainly the Member for Range Lake found a lot to get excited about in there. But anyways, the point being, Mr. Speaker, is, you know, we -- what I've seen, and similar to the Member for Range Lake, is a pretty status quo budget. You know, it's not a budget -- I had some constituents express concern that they were going to see some heavy cuts coming forward. Considering all the communication about fiscal responsibility that we've heard over the past year, people thought this was going to be a really difficult budget. I'm not seeing big, big changes, and I'm not seeing big initiatives either.

And so we just heard from the finance Minister. We heard the messaging of the government. So what story do I see?

Mr. Speaker, the story that emerged for me over the past two weeks while committee was reviewing the budget is I see us struggling to action some of our priorities effectively because we are struggling to manage our finances effectively. As pointed out previously, we have not been able to follow the government's own Restoring Balance fiscal policy. The Minister speak to this, spoke to the reasons for it. But the bottom line is we haven't done it. And I think that we are also not substantively actioning some of our priorities. In a few cases, I do think that we are heading in the right direction and starting to get on the right track. I want to acknowledge good work where I see it. Over the past year, the government has established a health care sustainability unit, hired a public administrator, actions that tell us that they're taking the difficulties that we're having with the health care system keeping it sustainable, keeping it fiscally sustainable primarily also, and they're taking that seriously and actioning that. We are yet to see what that looks like. I've got a bit more to say about that later.

When I was listening to the Premier's speech the other day, I noted that, you know, there's a fair bit in there about the safe communities priority. They have taken a fair bit of action, and I'm looking forward to seeing results from that. The one critique I might make is what I don't see attached to the actions is are we trying to measure anything, have we set targets, what is the target that we're trying to achieve, and what does success look like. I think in some cases that is our biggest struggle, is communicating what is success going to look like for this government.

Mr. Speaker, departments have made millions of dollars in operational cuts, significant cuts over the past year. They have been trying. I would note that this year it was largely offset by a new collective agreement that added $74 million per year that we have to find the money for. I believe the government speak for this is forced growth, as we like to call it. One Member did point out that some of the growth is forced. We also have a lot of excluded employees, and we make a choice to increase their salaries at the same level that we increase unionized staff; so it's not all forced, there are choices involved in some of the growth that we're seeing.

Mr. Speaker, I was reflecting last night -- we were looking at the supplementary estimates. And I was reflecting last night on, you know, my experience in the previous government that I sat in the leadership seat for at the City of Yellowknife and the fact that at the municipal level, the government really struggles to make ends meet. The government really pinches pennies and squeezes the most out of every possible dollar. And I spoke to, you know, sometimes I would walk the halls of city hall and honestly feel a bit guilty. These weren't fancy offices. This wasn't a, you know, a government that was rife with cash. In some cases, I think -- you know, this is just a little shout out to our city, but, you know, city hall could really use some renovations. But this was a government that has to balance its budget every single year. This is a government that has to make tough decisions. You'd see city staff driving around in a pickup truck from 1995 because tough decisions have to be made, and we have to stretch every dollar.

I'm not sure I see the same level of penny pinching at the GNWT yet. The Member for Range Lake pointed out that there's been a spending freeze but over the years, you know, the government has very nice buildings, they have very nice offices, they have nice vehicles. There's many things that tell me that this is not a government that is trying to squeeze the most out of every possible dollar that we can. That's just what I've seen. It's just a comparison that I make between the way the municipality operates and the way our government operates.

Mr. Speaker, I want to talk to one of the issues that I think keeps coming up for me and continues to be a problem that vexes our ability to move forward.

Mr. Speaker, the government did articulate a mandate, and MLAs worked hard to set very focused priorities. I don't think that we did enough to establish specific targets or identify exactly what we meant and, as I mentioned earlier, define what success would like look for those priorities. What do we mean? What do we mean success is going to look like for our housing priority, for example.

And one of the frustrations that I find myself repeating and becoming a bit of a broken record on is priority implementation. We have to focus on the priorities we've set. This has got -- our mandate has got to be where we focus our energy. And, Mr. Speaker, I don't think priority implementation is as difficult as we're making it out to be.

I think of one of my constituents. Of course I'm going to change their name for their privacy. We're going to call her Emily today. Emily is seeking a unit in public housing. She has a disabled son, facing significant challenges. Emily really, really needs a home. I have been e-mailing back and forth with the housing Minister's staff and the housing Minister herself for a year now trying to get Emily off of the waiting list into a home, a home that's accessible, something that's appropriate for her and her son to live in, to hopefully thrive, to better the conditions that they're currently living in. It's really easy for me to see that one of my priorities has to be getting Emily into a home. And so when I think about our priorities, when I think about actioning priorities, it's very easy for me to take Emily on one hand and say, yes, that I've absolutely no doubt that putting her in a public housing unit is something that needs to happen, an accessible public housing unit. And I can take any number of activities that the government is doing -- I'm not going to name them, I'm not going to name a specific thing here -- but I'm going to say that I can say many of them and say is this as high a priority for me as putting Emily in a home. It is not. This is the priority. It is clear as day to me. And I think that we need to go through that kind of exercise. We have got to look within. We've got to determine what is important, what is most important -- that's what priorities mean -- and we have to determine what can we let go of in order to make substantive and real change and real action toward the priorities that we've set. That's what priority setting looks like. And I think everybody in this room must have an Emily. It's really easy for me when that's the exercise that I go through.

And I can tell you, Mr. Speaker, that if we have to make difficult decisions, that is a very easy story for me to bring back to my constituents. It's very easy for me to say this is the reason a difficult decision had to be made because we're doing this, we are doing a good thing, we're doing a moral thing, we're doing what government should be doing. What's difficult is if we're just saying we're doing fiscal responsibility because we need to save money. That's not the most compelling story you can tell a constituent. We had to make this difficult decision you don't like. Well, the government's running out of money. We're doing a lot of things with it, big mixture of things, but we can't put Emily in a home because we're out of money. And this leads me to a point that I've also been speaking to and I think also is one of the high level problems that is preventing us from moving forward in a positive way.

In a lot of cases, we are either struggling to or not measuring the results of what we're doing. So when I hear talk about new revenue sources, also known as taxes, things that residents don't want to be hearing about, can I reasonably say that we are getting good value for money out of all of the programs that the government offers and we absolutely need to put this revenue source in place in order to make it happen? It's a very difficult thing to say yes to. It's difficult because we're not measuring some of the things that we're doing. We don't have good measures to help us determine is this program working? Is it achieving what we need it to achieve? You know, the finance Minister implemented -- started to implement GRI last term. I think it was a great initiative. It hasn't quite taken on the urgency that I think it needed to in order for it to help us with these kind of decisions. What is working, what isn't, how can we move resources in such a way to help us succeed.

I want to speak a bit to some of the priorities that are important to me in this budget. Housing is top of mind, again.

I want to recognize that political decision-making often gets ahead of a government's ability to implement. Where we're at right now is the Department of Housing NWT is currently doing a lot of work to implement the priorities that were set and the direction that was given in the previous Assembly. This is a problem that I encountered at the city also, that council's decision-making got way ahead of administration's ability to actually carry out the various plans and things that we're approving to the point where plans were getting left behind and forgotten and council was approving new plans. It can happen here too. So I recognize that in a lot of ways, the decisions that we make here about housing and the path that we set forward is going to be something that is going to have to carry into the future of the next Assembly. But, Mr. Speaker, if we don't clearly lay that path out now, if we don't establish targets, if we don't tell residents what success is going to look like and what we're trying to achieve, we are failing to tell our story and we are failing to effectively action the priority that we set.

On housing, we just received a presentation from a researcher and the Standing Committee on Social Development has been working very hard on the housing as a human right. And something that the presenter highlighted to me is the idea of self-sufficiency. And this was a big theme in our priority setting session which I think has been lost along the way. But it's right there at the beginning of our priorities. The 20th Assembly wants a territory where people are supported, where they want to live, work, and grow. What that meant to me, and for people who weren't in the room when we were having those conversations, MLAs were advocating for building up people's self-sufficiency, self-reliance, reducing the amount of dependence on government. So I do take a small pause when I talk about the housing priority that I don't think that the status quo, that the system, as it is, is going to be that success that I'm speaking about. I think that we need to change significantly what we're doing. And so that's going to take planning. It's going to take time. This is not a problem that we can just throw money at. But I can tell you that we are not funding it adequately to succeed right now.

The presenter emphasized the need for us to foster self-sufficiency and self-reliance, agency over decisions, increased attention to education and skill development, and the potential for the housing sector to create local economic development. Those are things that I want us to be focusing on in our plan for housing in the story that we're telling and the targets that we're setting for this department and this priority.

Mr. Speaker, I want to turn to health a little bit. As I noted, a lot of action has been taken regarding health care sustainability. I think this is good. I think it's necessary. I do want to put a small caveat on it that I am a little bit worried that health is going to end up, by virtue of the fact that we've created these systems, that we brought in the administrator, that we brought in the health care sustainability unit, that we could be at risk of throwing the baby out with the bath water. And we need to remember that one of the priorities we set was increasing people's access to primary care. So in fostering health care sustainability, I just want us to be careful to note that we are still looking to increase the service the residents are getting on the ground.

Economic development, I could say a lot. I'm starting to run out of time. I just want to very quickly say, and I said this in my reply to the Budget Address last year, education is a big piece of this. I spoke to it with housing. I will be speaking in the House this session about workforce development again, and I certainly have a lot to say about Aurora College. I'm very concerned about how the college is operating, Mr. Speaker.

In the past weeks, my community colleagues have joined me in being concerned as they watched the community learning centres close. At least we can say the college is dealing out something to be concerned about for everyone, but I'm not really sure this is what we had in mind. It's a very big concern for me, Mr. Speaker. I've spoken extensively about my belief in the dream of what Aurora College could be. I'm going to continue fighting for it.

And I want to highlight again self-sufficiency and its importance in our priorities. If we want to develop our economy, we have to focus on our workforce, on the students who aren't being prepared to enter it, and how we're going to get them the credentials they need to participate meaningfully in the economy. It is such a big piece.

To close, Mr. Speaker, I want to speak about something I saw in the news the other day. One of my favorite pundits, Chantal Hebert, was reflecting on the coming situation with Mr. Trump being elected and she was saying, you know, what I want to see and what I'm not seeing yet, is who is going to rise up and be the adult in the room. Who is going to set, you know, this political bickering aside -- she was talking about the political leaders -- and actually stand up, be the adult in the room, do the things that need to be done. I really appreciated that characterization. And I think that we need to stand up and be the adults in the room. Difficult decisions need to be made. I want to emphasize that we need to be measured and careful. We have to acknowledge that this territory's economy relies largely on government. Cuts are going to hurt. We have to do it in a careful way. We have to do it in a way that promotes our priorities. We have to do it in a way that minimizes the pain, that ensures that what we're doing is effective, that we are actioning our priorities effectively. We need to approach our challenges with reason, with evidence, with strength of conviction, with decisiveness, and resolve. Do we have the courage to be the -- and the strength to be the leaders this territory needs right now, to be the adults in the room?

Over the past year, Mr. Speaker, I have had my moments of doubt. When I see us looking at cuts, I hear well, we don't want to do this, don't want to do that; yes, we absolutely need to make tough decisions but not that one. Around and around we go on the wheel of consensus government. Do we have the humility, Mr. Speaker, to look at ourselves in how we contribute to this problem and stand up, be the adults in the room, and make the tough decisions? I want to be optimistic, Mr. Speaker. I believe that a majority of Members in this chamber are up to the task. This room is full of people who I respect, who have shown me they are prepared to do what's needed to get this territory on a positive track. Let's come together and build consensus around the work that needs to be done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Reply -20(1): By Mr. Morse
Replies To The Budget Address

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Frame Lake. Colleagues, we're going to have a brief break because we have two more replies to the budget today. So we're going to take a brief break.

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Reply -20(1): By Mr. Morse
Replies To The Budget Address

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, colleagues. Replies to the Budget Address, Day 1 of 7. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Reply -20(1): By Mr. Edjericon
Replies To The Budget Address

Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to reflect back as the MLA for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh, going back to the 19th Assembly. I came in halfway through a by-election, and I put forward a wish list on what we wanted to see for my riding. And I brought that forward to the Premier of the day Caroline Cochrane, and I even brought it up in the House here. And when I did, what I was told was that the train had left. By that time, we were halfway through the four-year mandate and she said she'll try her best to throw my priorities on the train as it moves. And needless to say that in the last two years of that term, my luggage didn't make it on that train.

So anyway, going back to the 20th Assembly now, learning from what happened in the 19th Assembly, I put forward, on March 15th, 2024, a wish list. It was addressed to the Premier and the Ministers and outlining what we wanted to see in our riding.

I'll just briefly talk about maybe Lutselk'e, I'm talking about a winter road, dust control, housing, homeownership repairs, and that's just a couple to name off what I can remember. But also going into Dettah, our school there is over 50 years old, and it's in dire need of a new school in that community. It was on a -- it was on the capital plan back in the 19th Assembly but somehow it was taken off and never put back on. And right now that school is -- we definitely need a new school there in Dettah. N'dilo, what we need there too as well is that we have an outdated gym that's undersized for the size of the community we have. And that gym needs to be replaced and replaced with a new community hall, similar to the one that they have on the Hay River Reserve ideally will work. The school in N'dilo as well is that even though it's a newer school, they didn't put a gymnasium on there. So between Dettah and N'dilo, the kids got to walk, if it's 45 below, maybe a couple hundred yards to the gymnasium so they could use it.

So when I put my list forward in this letter to the Minister outlining what we want to see in our four communities, and I never seen a reply back to my letter. So when I look at this budget now, I am deeply concerned because that budget does not reflect on what I put forward. And I want to say that small communities do matter. Even though my riding gets less than half a percent of the overall budget, at the same time when I try and figure out where does the money go, we're rolled into South Slave region into the North Slave region, but yet I represent the Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh riding. And trying to get that name change and so that we could better understand where all that money is going. So I am disappointed that my concerns that was brought to me from my riding is not reflected in the budget.

But I want to point out one thing separate from that is that when we take an oath in this House, we sign that oath to say that we'll respect the treaties. The mace that's here today is also from the Crown. So, Mr. Speaker, I just want to point out that I got a treaty book here. That's Treaty 8. This treaty book that was signed here in this area here, for the Dogribs in this area from Dettah, we have Chief Drygeese. Also we have one of my great great grandfathers also signed that same treaty. I just want to remind this House that when we took that oath, the treaty is alive and well. So when we get money from Ottawa from grants and contribution under this budget now is about $1.7 billion.

A few weeks ago in committee, I raised the issue about the needs of our communities, and I brought that same issue up about treaties. Where's the Crown consultation and accommodation? Because my treaty is still alive and well until I give it up, and it's still in my back pocket. So my concern here is that when I brought this up in committee to the finance Minister of the day was that the GNWT policies that are in place now are superseding my treaties, and that's concerning, Mr. Speaker.

I want to talk about -- a little bit about housing and health care. It's also in the treaties. But right across Canada right now at the AFN level, which I -- when I was a chief, I attended a lot of AFN housing meetings, and back in the day, 1999, there were about 45,000 homes short. Today we're pushing 120,000 homes. Here in the Northwest Territories, we need at least 10,000 homes to catch up. But right now, if all the HAP houses that were built back in the late '80 -- early '80s to 2000 -- give or say 2000, they're reaching their 50-year life. Right now we're pushing 40 some odd years already in those homes. If those homes are not repaired today, then the fire marshal could come in and just say that's not liveable, and they could shut it down. Then we're going to have huge problems here in the Northwest Territories. So I am deeply concerned about that.

But, Mr. Speaker, I am -- just want to talk a little bit about the budget that's presented here today is that in the 20th Assembly we put forward four priorities of this government, and right now the budget that's approved today takes up 6 percent of that budget of the four priorities we put forward. I looked at the budgets for housing, for example. No different than last year. Finance, shared corporate services this time around is $81.28 million. The housing corporation budget is $118 million. Total of $199,000. But I said -- like I said, 76 cents on the dollar that comes from grants and contribution from Canada works out to be 76 cents. But yet I cannot help my own people in Lutselk'e for repairs in their home. I was just there a few days ago, and they're really frustrated. So we wanted to put forward at least 500 homes into this budget. It didn't work out. That meant if I would have got 15 homes for my riding per year, that would have been perfect. But that didn't happen. So I'm a little disappointed about that.

So at the end of the day, again, is that the policies are superseding my treaties that are section 35 rights. But yet we get 1.8 -- $1.7 billion from Ottawa that we're managing. And then the deputy ministers as I sit here in that table here, they come in and they ask for more monies to do their jobs, but yet they can't go into Fort Resolution, Dettah, N'dilo, or Lutselk'e, or any small communities and say what's best for you; what do you guys need? Well, they don't even meet with the chief and council and the Metis council or the local governments. They just assume that they know what's best for you. They're managing that money on our behalf. So I am a little disappointed that what I see in this budget now doesn't take in consideration what I put forward in my letter. Again, small communities do matter.

I don't know what to tell the people in Fort Resolution, Dettah, N'dilo, and Lutselk'e, and all small communities for that matter that we're not fixing the problems on housing. We got a spending freeze right now in the government. Housing's on that list. So how are we going to address these problems when we don't have a plan? I brought this up when we got together with the leaders in the fall after we got elected. Maybe it's time that we have to take a look at the whole government. Why are we in this situation?

Last year I asked the question to the finance Minister in the 19th Assembly is there going to be austerity, and the response I got back was no, not right now. We're just going to leave that to the next government. So that can was kicked over to this government. But the next four years, Mr. Speaker, we got $150 million per year and for this year, we got to do the same thing. Third year and fourth year, that's $600 million. Now we see cuts in the colleges, changes to the affirmative action policy, now to the aboriginal policy, and changes were even made to accommodate P2s.

I guess what I'm trying to say, Mr. Speaker, is that I am disappointed in the way that -- you know, I thought this government is a consensus government. We pride ourselves on that. We say we work together and we move forward. But, Mr. Speaker, I haven't seen it. As much as I want to say that, you know, yes, I could work with all -- everybody in the House, my colleagues, but it's tough. And now we're going to ask that we increase this budget, increase the debt limit. To what end?

So I am disappointed that the treaties that I just spoke about, even though parts of it's negotiated, but we got the Inuvialuit claim, we got the Gwich'in claim, Sahtu claim, Tlicho claim, the Metis that are signed the AIP. The Akaitcho's close to AIP. Deh Cho is still on the drawing board. But sooner or later, we're going to get them done. And if we get them done, then what's our relationship going to be or what's it going to look like? Because those claims and treaties have section 35 rights. It ain't going away. So we have to take that in consideration.

UNDRIP, we passed that last -- I think in the 19th Assembly. Now we're talking about implementation of that. I have not seen nothing in this book that talks about that. UNDRIP also talks about the recognition of the treaties. To catch up with the housing need in the Northwest Territories needs to be addressed. Health is also a treaty right. We call that the medicine chest.

So we really need to take a look at our own back yard. We got to take a look at how we govern ourselves. If we say that it's consensus government, let's work together. But I don't know what is happening in Cabinet until I read it in Cabin Radio. So it's really frustrating for me as an ordinary MLA looking back, watching everything unfold. I got -- we all have on this side aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories are half the majority of people here. A lot of stuff that's going to impact us, the tariffs. And I'm going to be asking the Premier about this in the next couple of days as well.

I'll use that as an example where Northern Store or Hudson Bay Company. Right now there is a Hudson Bay Company or Northern Store up and down the valley. So if the tariffs are put in, the groceries going to go up. Do we buy from that store? What impacts are we going to have in small communities? Northern Store sells gas. We rely on gas for our trapping, hunting, and fishing.

So, Mr. Speaker, what I'm saying here today is not only I'm disappointed in this budget. It didn't take into the small communities issues and concerns. The policies of this government are superseding my treaties, especially when that money comes from Ottawa and 76 cents on the dollar on grants and contribution. If I believe right, committee were also -- were told that for housing negotiable was a word used where we were trying to fight for more housing for small communities, and there were some commitments made about $50 million a year, or $50 million for the duration, but there's no guarantee we're going to get that money. So I'm really to the point where I'm going to go back and talk to my leadership, get feedback, and let them know what to do when it comes to budget again on the borrowing limit, raising the debt limit. It's going to be very tough because our communities don't get their share of money that they need to build the infrastructure they need. Again, small communities do matter, but nobody's listening.

You know, the other day I hear the Premier talking about giving how good of a job and the situation this government's doing in the last year but on this side of the House, I'm in the dark. So, Mr. Speaker, it's really concerning to me now that we're in this situation as this government goes forward trying to figure out how we're going to cut back $600 million in four years, and it will be on the backs of small communities, and I don't want to see that.

I know Cabinet is working with Council of Leaders, and I'm sure they're going to voice their concerns as well about their frustration. But right now as it is, we got to do better and do Crown consultation and accommodation. And we're not doing that. Our treaties are alive and well.

Mr. Speaker, we need to do better, but at this point I'm to the point now where I want to write a letter to King Charles saying that we have a Treaty 11, Treaty 8. The Government of Canada recognizes it in section 35. The Governor General passes that on to the provinces and the territories. But right now in small communities, it's not working. So I am going to write a letter and let the people know, King Charles, that the treaties of Canada and the Northwest Territories are not honoured and respected, and it's still alive and well.

So, Mr. Speaker, I just want to take this opportunity to do my response to the Budget Address and I am going to say mahsi. Thank you.

Reply -20(1): By Mr. Edjericon
Replies To The Budget Address

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Colleagues, I'd like to remind you this is a very heated and passionate place where we are. We're representing our constituents, and we're doing a good job. And it's our responsibility to hold Cabinet individually or collectively, to task. Unfortunately, we're not talking about deputy ministers, okay? Let's just focus on our Cabinet, our Ministers. Deputy ministers are bureaucracy. They're doing their job. They don't have that way to deal with things. So, please, be very respectful in how we do it. I appreciate the passion. I appreciate people having the ability to bring forth their concerns but we also need to be respectful of our bureaucracy and people that are not here. So just a little bit of a reminder, please and thank you.

Replies to Budget Address, 1 of 7. Member from Yellowknife Centre.