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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Okay, so that could include territorial or Commissioner's land if it is inside municipal boundaries or outside, just to clarify that. Okay, I'm seeing nods. Thank you for that.

I also just wanted to note -- and perhaps I'll make a Member's statement about this later this week or next, but I mean, a big role of this division is participating in and coordinating the GNWT's input into environmental assessments and security proceedings. So can the Minister clarify whether the GNWT is -- or sorry, whether ECC is directly participating in environmental assessments that the GNWT is a proponent of? So, for example, if the GNWT is proposing the Mackenzie Valley Highway or a Slave Geological Province road, does ECC staff then get to participate in that environmental assessment, or what would their role be if the project is led by the GNWT itself? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Minister of Environment and Climate Change.

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Jay MacDonald

Jay MacDonald Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, yes, we do -- staff does participate in that process, and they provide advice. And I'll pass to deputy minister Jenkins; perhaps he can provide a little more detail beyond advice. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Deputy minister Jenkins.

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Jenkins

Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. So those projects such as Mackenzie Valley Highway, Slave Geological Province corridor, are GNWT initiatives. They are led by the Department of Infrastructure. But the GNWT is advancing a whole-of-government approach, so what that means is that departments are working together to inform project activities and participation in the environmental assessment process. And subject-matter experts, not only in ECC but in ECE, in health and in other departments, are providing feedback to infrastructure as the project lead to assist in the environmental assessment process and ultimately to help improve the project. And our subject-matter experts and those of other departments are available during the proceedings to answer questions and provide additional support as necessary. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Member for Yellowknife North.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. So thank you for that answer, for the detailed answer. So just to clarify, though, that during proceedings, during the public portion of an environmental assessment when, you know, evidence is being presented, like, those subject-matter experts and maybe they're, you know, water scientists, hydrologists, or maybe they're biologists, do they -- do they get to publicly present the information they have that they think it's important to know about the potential impacts, say, of a road, or are those presentations -- you said that they get to inform infrastructure officials. Is that just happening, like, behind the scenes but not in public? Can you clarify whether there's an opportunity for those subject-matter experts on their own to present what they feel are the important impacts or considerations related to those projects? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Minister for Environment and Climate Change.

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Jay MacDonald

Jay MacDonald Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll pass to deputy minister Jenkins. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Deputy minister Jenkins.

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Jenkins

Thank you, Madam Chair. So it's perhaps important to sort of just take a step back outside of before the work that's done before the public hearing. And so as I mentioned, experts will provide input into project design and feedback, and if there are differences of opinion regarding the analysis or the methodology or the conclusions, we do have a dispute resolution process that we can implement internally.

As people know, I worked formerly in the Department of Infrastructure. That was not implemented to my knowledge. So departments have been agreeing on aspects of what's going forward into the submissions to the board.

Moving forward into the public hearing process, the experts will be available to answer questions. And as you know, it is a quasi judicial process so they -- if they are asked a question do you disagree with this or do you have a different opinion on this, they will -- and are fully in there -- will participate fully in that process and provide those answers. And if it is different than the project design, of course decisions -- if decisions are made in that instance, then there will be representatives of the project who will have to speak to that in the public process. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Member for Yellowknife North.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. This internal dispute resolution process that you're talking about, I assume it refers to, like, if experts or individuals from different departments have really different views on what should be done about a project. Do you have more details on what that internal dispute resolution process looks like? Is it written down somewhere; is it sort of informal protocol or understanding? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Minister of Environment and Climate Change.

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Jay MacDonald

Jay MacDonald Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll pass to deputy minister Jenkins.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Deputy minister Jenkins.

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Jenkins

Thanks, Madam Chair. I mean, in essence, it's elevated up through the departmental systems and a conversation had in terms of that and an agreement made. As I mentioned, I'm not aware of any instances where the dispute resolution process was implemented for these projects.

The other piece that I would add is that there has been through the Mackenzie Valley Highway process one of the things that the board is very interested in this, so as we went through the IR process for round one, there was identification of the departments that were involved in the preparation of the responses to all the questions for the IR process. Hope that's helpful. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Member for Yellowknife North.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll leave it there for now, but I do hope to follow up with a Member's statement and questions later on this session. Thanks for your patience and for letting us come back to this one. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

I have next, Member for Range Lake.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. And I know that the Ministers -- or our witnesses have already been asked about municipal land transfers, and specifically in my community of Yellowknife, but I'd like to ask what the outstanding issues are with respect to that land transfer in the city and also ask that the clock be reset. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Sorry about that. Okay. Minister of Environment and Climate Change.

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Jay MacDonald

Jay MacDonald Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I think that one of the issues that we have certainly been attempting to look into greatly is that there's a requirement for consultation with the Indigenous governments on land transfer within the municipality, and to approach a bulk land transfer from the perspective of there's not a clear definition of what the intent is for all of the parcels that may be part of that proposed land transfer is one of the certainly challenging aspects of that approach. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Member for Range Lake.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you. So I guess the intention -- I'm somewhat perplexed because I guess the intention of the policy -- what's being called for -- and I think my colleague, the Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, yes, was mentioning that, you know, let -- like, you transfer it to the municipality and then they decide what happens to it. And that's my intention -- or that's where my head goes to, because you want to give the municipalities or local authorities the flexibility to develop at their own pace and to make use of opportunities, whether that's selling land and making a profit of off it, whether it's developing land for affordable housing, whatever. So the rights issue, of course, that's always going to be something that the Crown has to consider in this country, and I don't take issue with that. I would note, though, that the Yellowknives Dene in particular have been consulted on this in the past and I think have been supported through things like -- through bodies like the NWTAC. I think the Metis have also been -- have also had discussions around this as well with Yellowknife city administration and council. So just to the other point, why do we care as a government what municipalities do with their land in a request like this when what we're trying to do is give them the flexibility to make use of land within municipal boundaries. And that's important. It's not land out in the middle of nowhere; it's lands within their own municipal boundaries. Thank you.