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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, we all have things that keep us up at night, and this is one of mine.

Mr. Chair, we are at an exciting crossroads as far as the Northwest Territories is concerned. We are definitely at a -- as the Member reflected on earlier, a different -- seeing diamond mines close at a different pace than what we had anticipated. We are also acknowledging that we need to maintain that workforce of northern workers in order to be able to capture the opportunity that we see coming toward us. And so that is making sure that people have employment to go straight into so that we don't lose anybody but also at the same time making sure that we are doing the training and workforce development that we need at the same time.

To the Member's question of what am I doing, I am constantly talking to industry about what their needs are and constantly -- because part of this is not just, you know, the DND opportunities the Member is talking about or the infrastructure development, but there's also still major advancements in critical mineral mines that are happening in this territory, and we still want to see the fruition of those opportunities come to the North and come to Northerners and so still working hard alongside those proponents. And so I am constantly asking them for their workforce development plans and timelines because I want to be able to provide that to regional high schools, career education advisors, and to the career development officers and the business development officers that are in those regions so that they can speak to people very specifically about what opportunities are coming and when. So if we know, for example, that we're going to need five electricians, who wants to be an electrician? If we know, for example, that we need environmental technicians, who wants to do these roles? Because when I talk to kids these days, they want to have meaningful employment but might not necessarily know exactly what they want to do. They might know they want to be involved in an arts. They might know they want to run their own business. They might know they want to work at the mines. But they want to know what those opportunities look like, and this is how we tell them that.

The other side of this, Mr. Chair, is having conversations with the federal government around the procurement needs of this territory.

So the federal government put out a web page advising people to kind of get their criminal record checks done or their security clearances done in anticipation for some of this work. And just an example of that, of something that I've communicated to some of our federal partners, is that we need to ensure that all Northerners have space for employment in these opportunities. Some Northerners are ready and some Northerners are, you know, ready but need training opportunities that are very specific to certain roles. And some Northerners have training, but might also be carrying with them, you know, a minor infraction from 30 years ago that landed them a criminal record and that might mean that, for example, they won't get a security clearance to clear brush on a site that is being prepared for a DND project. And we need to make sure that there are tiered levels of security that make these projects accessible to all Northerners because we want to make sure that from one NWT border to the other that if somebody wants access to an opportunity, we're working together to create it for them. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I will go to the Member from Frame Lake.

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Julian Morse

Julian Morse Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. No. The Minister shared a lot of information there. I think the -- I think I guess if I could just get some comments in on this, what I would say is that I recognize that the problems we're trying to solve here are complex, and it's not easy to just answer on the fly and on the floor, and I don't expect necessarily answers on the fly and on the floor to these kinds of questions. But my point is that I want the department -- because I can't see where else this could land. It could be ECE. It could be ITI. But we need to be thinking about how to deal with this workforce transition that I think is about to hit us like a wave, and I want to be really clear about that on the floor and be eyes wide open about it. I keep using that phrase, but it was a good one. And I can't think about who would be the coordinating force here if not the GNWT. No single employer is going to step up and be able to do this. So I think we need to be thinking it through. I support the department in resourcing and making changes as needed to do it. But I think we've got to come up with solid plans and changes to how we're doing things to improve these employment numbers considering what we're facing. Leave my comments at that, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, I will go to the Minister.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, just to reassure the Member and all Members in this House that we have not stopped talking about this at all over at the Cabinet table and with departments. We are very much having the same conversations and working through the same motions that the Member speaks of and that it is not just ITI; it is absolutely every single department. If you are all of a sudden having to stand up significant projects in this territory, that has an impact on housing. It has an impact on health care. It has an impact on our roads to be able to bring material up to the territory. And so this is certainly an all-of-government approach and is not something ITI is doing on their own but ITI certainly has a significant role to play, as does ECE. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I am going to go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The last topic I just wanted to address, in the business plan on page 21, it identifies work specifically around the Mackenzie Valley operational dialogue. And I know that a lot of people have put a lot of work into this, stakeholders from lots of different organizations, different levels of government, industry, and I think there's also been a lot of disappointment as to the concrete or tangible outcomes or results that have come out of all these meetings and all this effort, and it's not really clear from the business plan either what concrete has come out of it. You know, we're measuring number of meetings or number of initiatives, but what does that mean at the end of the day to people what improvements are being made, because we've heard over and over again that people feel that the regulatory processes could be made more efficient, that could make more sense, it could, you know, be made more effective. And so a lot of resources and people's time and energy has been put into, you know, this dialogue and it's really unclear after a number of years what's come out of it.

So can the Minister explain what tangible results this dialogue has produced to date in a way that would sort of make sense or make a difference to people on the ground, whether you're sort of working in the industry or, yeah, involved in the regulatory processes. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I will go to the Minister.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. So some examples of some tangible results have been things like the regulatory streamlining partnership between the feds and the GNWT that's currently underway, the exploration data bundle that we just released at Roundup, boards working to build online tool pathways to make it easier for regulatory -- or sorry, for proponents to pursue their land use water licensing permits, and another example of that would be the targeted amendments that are currently being made to the Waters Act. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. I will go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Okay. I mean, a number of things that were listed there. I mean, there's a few things that have been completed but there's a number of things that refer to processes, things that are still, you know, a work in progress. Is there -- has there been any, like, analysis within the dialogue itself or discussion as to, hey, is there something we can do to improve our own process to, you know, achieve things more quickly or, you know, communicate better what difference this is all making. Has there been anything identified by the dialogue itself in terms of improving its own process, or is the impression of the Minister that anyone who's working within the dialogue is sort of a-okay with the processes in place? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. I will go to Minister.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I think everything we do in the world has room for improvement and that we always need to be asking ourselves how we can do and work better together. And so one example of a change that has occurred was the group felt that working on everything as a conglomerate was too much and, you know, how do you kind of make, as the Member referred to, timely change or timely decision-making. And so one of the things that happened was smaller carve-off groups with more focused mandates. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. I will go to the Member from the Yellowknife North.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Okay, thank you, Mr. Chair. Does the GNWT produce any reports identifying, like, what commitments the GNWT is making as part of this dialogue? I know, again, this is a partnership where you can't control what all the partners do and you can't control the -- all of the outcomes of the work, but you can identify what you as one partner can do and hold yourself accountable to that. So is there any records or reports of what the GNWT itself has committed to do in these dialogue meetings and then sort of tracking of whether we've done it or not, how long did it take us to do it? Is that available publicly somewhere? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I will go to the Minister.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the Member is right to allude to the fact that the federal government is ultimately responsible for the reporting on that tracking and that that is currently behind. This is one of the items that would be captured under our MOU with the federal government because we -- I absolutely agree with the Member that we need to make sure that we're seeing traction at these tables and that that traction is publicly reported. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I will go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Okay. And so can we assume, then, from that answer that currently there is not public reporting as to the outcomes of those meetings and initiatives, or is there public reports available somewhere online? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I will go to the Minister.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. So there is publicly available reports that are available online but the reporting is currently behind. So the reports that are currently online are dated. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. I will go to the Member from Yellowknife North.

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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Okay. Yeah, I did notice that there didn't seem to be anything from 2025. So does the Minister know when that reporting will catch up? And, secondly, can there be any commitment that the GNWT's role or actions can be kind of extracted so that we can look at those separately and then keep track of whether the GNWT is fulfilling its own commitments as part of this partnership? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. I am going to go to the Minister.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, I can commit to following up with our federal partners on this and making sure that we're updating the online library. I am apprehensive to kind of carve off a GNWT piece and potentially run into a scenario where we're duplicating work because as the Member for Frame Lake alluded to, we have a lot of work ahead of us so I want to make sure that we're not being redundant. Thank you.