Thank you. Your third question, Mr. Enuaraq.
Territorial Leadership Committee on Nov. 20th, 1995
Transcript of meeting #1 for Territorial Leadership Committee in the 13th Assembly.
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MLAs speaking
Social Assistance As A Priority
Nominations For Premier
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Justice System
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm just going to jump to my third question since my second question is answered already. My final question is about justice. I know that our government spends a great deal of money on policing, courts and jails; still, the justice system seems foreign to many of my constituents. It doesn't seem to reflect their values and beliefs, and often does not seem to help people who are in trouble with the law to be better. I would like to ask each candidate if they have any concrete ideas for reforming our justice system so that it will be better and more meaningful for our constituents.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Department of Justice has been doing some work on that issue. Mr. Kakfwi has been doing some excellent work on the issue of community justice. For example, in Fort Resolution and other communities they now have elders' justice committees that sit in the courts and are part of the sentencing of the person who is accused. I know we started that last December in Fort Resolution. They had their first court case in the spring. After court, the crime rate dropped drastically in the community because young guys were scared to go in front of the elders. The elders were being strict. They knew the people they were dealing with. That is where the key is in the justice system. We have to solve our own problems at the community level.
We also have to look at, for those we have to incarcerate in the Territories, can we afford to pay $80,000 a year to house them when you can build an access unit for a little over $100,000. We are putting more money into the correctional system to house inmates than we are to educate people outside of jail. We have to work with the communities and elders to solve problems at the community level. We have to give them the tools to do that.
Justice System
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mrs. Groenewegen.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River
I agree with Mr. Morin. I think that the concept of community justice groups is a viable one. We don't have a lot of options. We have to look at everything that is available to us as alternatives. I understand that 95 per cent of the people who are incarcerated in the Northwest Territories are there on alcohol-related offences. We had quite a lengthy discussion about that in our Caucus meetings.
We have a correctional facility in Hay River. Quite often we see people coming into that facility from other communities. For the time that they are there, they are isolated from their problems and from drug and alcohol abuse. They get on quite well. They get out working every day, cutting wood and doing all sorts of things. Unfortunately, they go back to their communities and without support at the community level, it isn't long before we see them back again. We need to look at implementing a half-way system or some means of offering support when they do go home.
We also have to recognize that early intervention is the key. Quite often we see young offenders in our system and, unfortunately, they are the ones we see later on in adult facilities. So when we are dealing with young offenders, we need to look at every option for rehabilitation, whether that is taking them out on the land with elders and getting them away from everything so you can get their attention or whatever, we need to be attuned for the need for rehabilitation. We need to have effective intervention so that we stop the cycle and the problem from actually getting worse. Thank you.
Justice System
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Dent, followed by Mr. Erasmus and Mr. Ootes. Mr. Dent.
Tax Initiatives For The NWT
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, both candidates have fielded several questions about dealing with the deficit. Their answers so far have mostly suggested ways to improve efficiency or cut expenses. I think the public would like to have both candidates on record as to whether or not they plan to increase, reduce or introduce new taxes. What is your plan, for both candidates, for taxes in thenext few years?
Tax Initiatives For The NWT
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Mrs. Groenewegen.
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think we all pay our share of taxes. We pay enough taxes. I, for one, wouldn't support any increase in taxes. Then again, it is up to all 24 of us to set the direction in this Legislative Assembly. If the majority of Members want to do that, then we will have to entertain it. However, personally, I don't believe we should be increasing any taxes. Thank you.
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Dent.
Economic Development In The NWT
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For both candidates, I would like to hear some of their ideas on economic development in the NWT in the next little while.
Economic Development In The NWT
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have to start working with our communities and with our regions in developing our renewable resource sector. We have an excellent opportunity in some regions to develop the forestry industry. We also have an excellent opportunity in other regions to develop the meat industry, as well as the fishing industry.
We also have to look at getting more use out of the furs and seal skins that we do harvest. We should make things out of them so that we have a secondary industry and people can benefit from the jobs. Right now, the government already buys the majority of the furs through the fur subsidy program, so it wouldn't be hard to take that to the next step. That would encourage people to develop at the community level.
Also, when you are talking about fur and hides, in the Western Arctic a lot of moose hides are left in the bush and people are still screaming for moose hides to do handicrafts. I had these three young girls come to me in Lutsel K'e when I was campaigning and they said what are you going to do to get us jobs. I said what are you going to do to get jobs. Doesn't your dad hunt? Yes, my dad hunts. I said he brings caribou meat home, make dry meat and sell it. That is a job. You can even do that for two hours a day. Some elders come in and do that in Lutsel K'e and they make money.
We have to look at developing that renewable resource sector, so that it is substantiated and that it sustains itself. In Fort Resolution, for example, the forestry industry alone -- it is a small mill -- creates approximately 17 jobs in the summer and another 12 in the winter. That is key. Work with the communities to develop the non-renewable resources. We have to encourage and work with the mining companies in a sensible approach to encourage mining in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Mrs. Groenewegen.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe all the points made by Mr. Morin are very valid and I will add just one onto it. In the area of economic development, he mentioned several different sectors, but we need to look at ways of getting involved in the secondary process in the North, as opposed to shipping raw materials out of here. I am thinking specifically of our fishing industry. Fishing is a very big industry in Hay River. The fish comes in there, it is boxed up and shipped south. There is a lot of fish that aren't accepted by the fish plant, so they are thrown back in the lake. That is just one small example where secondary processing could be taking place, so that northerners could have jobs doing that. A lot of that fish would be good for pet food, fertilizer and different products like that. We just have to sometimes subsidize these things, initially, in order to get them up and running, and turned into a viable opportunity. That is where the government plays a part in recognizing that role and following up on those types of things. Thank you.
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.
Fort Providence Paving Project
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's getting dangerous around here. What with the various cutbacks in federal funding and the deficit, one of the Department of Transportation officials indicated to me that it may take another 10 years to complete the paving project between here and Fort Providence. I wanted to get the views of the two candidates on that.
Fort Providence Paving Project
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Mrs. Groenewegen.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that this government needs to be aware that there are cuts and funding may not be as forthcoming. However, with respect to that particular section of road, I think we have to be aware that, I believe, 25 per cent of the population of the Northwest Territories would like access by highway, paved highway, to the South. People from the East probably say well, we don't have any roads so that's not a high priority for us but that road will be used and unfortunately it has been a spot where a lot of accidents take place and there's been a lot of loss of life on that particular stretch of road. I think that if we see any programs such as the infrastructure program that the federal government recently had to create employment or opportunities like that where· we could get money, I would certainly be willing to look at that as one option for a priority. Thank you.
Fort Providence Paving Project
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My understanding of the paving of the highway between here and Providence is that it will be paved up to Fort Rae in two more years and then the straightening of the road from Fort Rae to here is supposed to be another five-year program and do so much of it every year. My understanding is that was how they were going to address that problem but once again we're going to have to take a look at all that in the reality of the situation that we're in today and with the money that we have. Like Jane had mentioned earlier, a lot of people have been killed on that stretch from Fort Rae to Yellowknife so you have to look at the safety aspects as well. You do have some responsibility as a government to ensure that your public has safe roads to travel on. Thank you.
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Your second question, Mr. Erasmus.