Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Arlooktoo, then Mr. Henry.
Territorial Leadership Committee on Nov. 20th, 1995
Transcript of meeting #1 for Territorial Leadership Committee in the 13th Assembly.
The winning word was chairman.
On the agenda
MLAs speaking
Mid-term Review
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In general, I feel that a mid-term review could help in keeping Ministers accountable since there is a need for a mechanism to keep the Ministers accountable. But like Mr. Antoine said, if the ordinary Members are doing their job properly and are questioning) the Ministers properly during question period, there is a ministerial review every day. I don't know of any situation that had to be dealt with that would have to wait two years to be dealt with to keep the Minister accountable. If the ordinary Members are doing their job properly in questioning the Ministers, a two-year review would not really be required. But I think it would be helpful as a way of keeping something over the Ministers' heads that they have to keep in line and they have to be watchful because a mid-term review will be coming up and in a way would help keep them accountable. But as was said before, I would not want it to be a place where ''wanna-be" Ministers would have their chance to bring somebody down and get in, perhaps.
So if we're going to go anywhere with this, there was going to be a motion for a two-year review. I guess I would support that in general, but keeping in mind that, as Mr. Antoine said, really Ministers' performances are reviewed on a daily basis.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Mr. Chairman, with regard to mid-term review, I support a review from the standpoint of an evaluation exercise only of the work done to date by Cabinet. As I see it, it's a formal opportunity for ordinary MLAs to hopefully affirm Cabinet in their work and direction. As stated by Mr. Antoine, ordinary MLAs have the ongoing responsibility to advise Cabinet on how they feel about the government's performance. Mass resignations of the Cabinet in the review process would not be a requirement for me. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. I am in support of the mid-term review because there are going to be new Members who will be running for the Cabinet, and it is very important that there is a review to see if they are able to do their duties. Also, I am sure that the Premier will be selecting some! of the Cabinet Ministers, but I feel that it would be appropriate to do a mid- term review and I feel that it's very important. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. To the item. Are there any further general comments? Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also support a mid- term review. I do not think it should be for resignations. As has been stated, Ministers need to have stability in their work. They shouldn't be reminded that their term is up in two years and that they have to try to please everybody. I also think that if people are required to resign in two years, perhaps the bureaucracy can do things so that when they don't necessarily agree with the leadership of the Minister they can slow things down until the two years is up and then they can perhaps get their own way. I'm not suggesting that this is what is being done, but there have been times in the past when people have complained about such things.
I also think that the review should be done constructively and in a positive manner so that we can look at changes to what is happening if they are needed. The new committee structure should help us all to have more input into the leadership of the Ministers. Also, the Premier is always in a position to remove a Minister. From what I am told, they can strip their powers, and I think that would be enough to ensure that if a Minister needs to be removed then that Minister will in fact be removed. The Premier should be allowed to do that job and I think we should leave it up to him. Thank you.
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Ningark, to the item.
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When I was the chairperson of the Ordinary Members' Caucus with Mr. Dent, during the review or the evaluation, as we called it, I was the one who read the evaluation or review in the House to the Speaker and I had a very bad experience. Some of the Ministers were getting graded; some as B and it was coming to the point where some were graded F. I don't think I want to go through that again, Mr. Chairman. I guess if we want to do a review we should forget about the grading. Some of the Ministers, I guess one or two, were given six months to shape up or ship out. I don't think we should look at it in that context. I think it should be a more friendly manner than we did last time.
So I agree basically, but we want to behave like we want to work together. During the past few days each and every Member stated in our orientation workshop that we wanted to work together, even the new MLAs stated in another forum that we were in that the public perception is that MLAs during the 12th Assembly were always fighting in the House, there was bickering and so on. I think the public wants to see a friendlier, people-working-together environment within the government.
There were two or three MLAs from this forum who stated we have been, during the past years, using our energy fighting among each other. We should be using the energy to work for the benefit of the people. In that respect, Mr. Chairman, I support the mid-term review 100 per cent, but I don't want to go to the grading system whereby some Ministers were getting an F, perhaps one or two, I'm not going to name names. I think we should do it in a friendlier manner. Thank you.
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if I may, I would like to make a motion.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central
I move that the Territorial Leadership Committee agrees that alter two years there shall be a mid-term review where the Premier and Members of Cabinet shall report to and be accountable to Members of the Legislature on progress to date and plans for the remainder of the term of the 13th Legislative Assembly.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. The motion is being passed around. Copies are being made available to Members. Mr. Enuaraq, your motion is in order. To your motion.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central
If there are any questions to be made on this motion I made, Mr. Chairman, I welcome them, but I don't really have anything to say at this time. Thank you.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Steen.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I still question whether a mid-term review would be done in the House or in this committee. I'm not sure which way is being suggested.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
This motion indicates the Territorial Leadership Committee, TLC, would be doing the review. Mr. Steen.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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Vince Steen Nunakput
I understand the Territorial Leadership Committee will be undertaking a review in two years.
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Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
To the motion. Mr. Kakfwi.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The review, I believe, should have some element in there that allows for the MLAs to meet with the Premier. For instance, the Premier would be able to tell the MLAs in Caucus, whether or not the Ministers are all performing up to expectation. For instance, are we meeting our travel commitments, our appointments that we set up? For instance, some of us are invited to make speeches.
Do we all show up for the public functions that we make commitments to meet? These are pieces of information that are not readily available to the MLAs that could be of some use in reviewing the performance of Ministers.
So I think we need some forum like that so that there are possibilities for answering questions by the Premier about the performance of the Ministers which really can't be done...! don't think it's appropriate to be done in a public forum like this; it could be done in Caucus. I'm not advocating that it be done secretly, but I think that the speaker before me, Mr. Ningark, makes a very valid point: The review should be intended to be constructive and to be positive, to be helpful. For instance, those of us who are not considered friendly enough, if we don't know how to smile then there should be some constructive suggestions made. For instance, I've researched it and I know where to get sett-help kits in those areas, on how to be sociable and amiable, how to smile. There is help for those of us who don't meet the expectations of the public and our colleagues.
The point I'm trying to make is I agree, some of the review that was done was rather bitter and I'm not sure it helped anybody. There were some, perhaps, head hunters involved in it. I wasn't totally oblivious to it, but I did, I thought, receive good marks so I was very happy with the review. Still, it should be very positive for everybody. I know that all of us have some advice that we need to take to heart on how we can improve ourselves personally and on a professional basis. How we do it I have no fixed views on it, and I do welcome any type of a review on the conduct of MLAs and of Ministers particularly. Thank you.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. To the motion. We do have several processes in place including the Caucus system, as well as you here in this Chamber deciding how the review will be conducted. You have two years to think about it and make your own plans on how to do the review. So we have a lot of options and processes in place. Mr. Ningark, to the motion.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
To the motion, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, whether the Premier to be will be accountable to answer for the Cabinet Members or the Cabinet Members being accountable to themselves, it depends on the scenario. If in fact we decided to select the Premier and the Premier subsequently appoints the Ministers, then I can see that the Premier should be accountable. But if we in fact elect the Ministers, then each and every Minister should be answerable to the forum during the review. That's the way I see it. Thank you.
Motion To Conduct Mid-Term Review, Carried
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The Chair Samuel Gargan
Thank you. To the motion. Do we have any further comments?