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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Is it agreed that the Department of Public Works is concluded?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

I would like to thank you, Mr. Minister, and your witnesses. The next department will be ... Mr. Minister?

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to thank the Members for this speedy passage of this budget, and I would just like to thank them on behalf of the staff of Department of Government Services and Department of Public Works. Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Anything for the teflon Don.

---Laughter

The next department is the Department of Government Services. Thank you. Mr. Morin.

Introductory Remarks, Department Of Government Services

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to present 1992-93 Main Estimates for the Department of Government Services.

The main estimates requirement for the department is $14.581 million in O and M. An estimated $14.985 million will be generated in revenue. The proposed budget represents a nine percent decrease over the main estimates for the previous fiscal year.

The department's mandate is to provide specialist services to government departments, boards and agencies. It also makes certain products available for sale to the public, such as fuel products and liquor.

Another role of the department is to act as an advocate for communities that have problems with NorthwesTel or Canada Post. In this House, we have talked about the provisions of telephone services for currently unserved communities. The department is working with representatives of Northwestel to look for ways to speed up the development of telephone services to these communities.

The department provides centralized purchasing, warehousing, mail delivery, and transportation of goods. To improve the access by northern business a phone link to a computer now allows companies to access information on current tenders. In support of northern business, the public stores inventories in Iqaluit and Cambridge Bay are being reduced, strengthening private retail prospects in these communities.

Budget requirements in the supply services activity are driven to a large degree by the activity levels of other departments. A decrease in costs in the area of freight and mail is anticipated for 1992-93. 3.5 person years will be deleted. These are a result of reductions to other departments' activities.

Reduction in the proposed budget for systems and computer services result from reduction in the number and type of telephones. The department is implementing a program to reduce the inventory of telephone lines and specialized rental equipment in headquarters departments. Saving are expected to be about $400,000. each year.

The petroleum products division, through a revolving fund, provides heating oil, gasoline, naphtha or white gas, and aviation fuel to 45 communities not served by private sector. All fuel is delivered by local contractors who will earn about $7 million in commissions during 1992-93. The proposed budget for P.O.L. shows a decrease in the cost of the product for 1992-93.

The 1991-92 budget was based on expected high fuel costs due to the Gulf Crisis. However, these increases did not materialize and the world price of oil has stabilized at $23.00 per barrel.

The liquor revolving fund provides a varied selection of alcoholic beverages to the residents of the N.W.T., and administers the licensing, inspection and local options functions under the Liquor Act. Net revenues for the fiscal year 1992-93 are estimated at $14.935 million.

A notable change to this revolving fund is the transfer into the fund of the liquor licensing, inspections and local options functions. The previous structure for the administration of the Liquor Act, consisted of three separate units, and resulted in inefficiency and duplication of effort. As a result of the consolidation of Government Services with the Department of Public Works, headquarters administrative divisions and regional offices have been joined together.

The three liquor units are being moved to Safety and Public Services. The total reductions for this department are $1.477 million, and 10 PYs. The reduction of 10 PYs represents 7.1 percent of the department's total PYs.

This completes my opening remarks, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The Standing Committee on Finance, are there any remarks with regard to the Department of Government Services? Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Standing Committee on Finance has no comments that were not covered already in our general comments. We did have a number of resolutions that we wanted to present, so I will proceed with those, if I may, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Proceed, Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, the first resolution has to do with the objectives of the department and we noted that no objectives were provided for the systems and computer services division, or liquor commission for 1992-93.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Government Services provide objectives for the systems and computer services division and liquor commission in the 1993-94 Main Estimates.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. I just want to indicate to you, Mr. Dent, that there is no quorum in the House at this particular time.

Thank you, there is a quorum now. Mr. Dent. Question. Thank you. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At the Standing Committee on Finance meetings, concerns were expressed by the committee that the systems and computer services division seem uninvolved with the informatics strategy being developed by the Department of Finance and with the cost effectiveness of the current system.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Government Services work with the Department of Finance in the development of an informatics strategy and review the cost effectiveness of computer systems across government.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Motion is in order. To the motion. There is not a quorum, Mr. Dent.

Thank you. I recognize a quorum. Mr. Dent. To the motion. The motion is in order. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The third motion, from the committee, involves forms. Mr. Chairman, the Assembly approved a motion that the department study, redesign and simplify government forms with the objective of overall productivity improvement and cost savings. While the government acknowledged the validity of this motion, they passed the responsibility from the forms management section to individual departments, and no action has taken place.

What is important here is that the department has ignored a direction given by the Assembly. The committee wants the department to know that the Assembly wants them to accomplish something.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Government Services include an objective in the 1993-94 Main Estimates to lead and monitor all departments and agencies including the setting of time lines in the study, redesign and simplification of government forms with the objective of overall productivity improvement and cost savings.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. To the motion. The motion is in order. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our next motion has to do with the G.N.W.T. contract listing. The committee was pleased with the government's progress in the production of a listing of all G.N.W.T. contracts, indicating southern and northern sourcing. This is a valuable tool in holding departments accountable for buying north, and identifying opportunities for import substitution. Now government must work on getting it out on a more timely and manageable basis.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that the committee recommends that the Department of Government Services publish the G.N.W.T. contracting listing sorted by department, in descending order of contract value within 90 days of year end. One listing of all contracts over $5,000 let during the fiscal year should be published.

Further, the committee recommends that Government Services work with departments, agencies and industry towards import replacement.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our next resolution has to do with government warehouses. The Standing Committee on Finance questions the need for government owned warehouses, given the privatization possibilities.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Government Services prepare a paper showing a phased privatization of government warehouse services for the 1993-94 Main Estimates review.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our next resolution has to do with liquor revenues. The committee noted that the government receives $15 million in net liquor revenues. Total revenues are $30 million before products costs. On the other hand, 85 percent of N.W.T. crimes are alcohol related. In some areas 25 percent of the children are affected by parental alcohol abuse, including fetal alcohol syndrome, and community alcohol and drug workers are grossly under funded.

Only about $7.5 million of these revenues goes directly towards alcohol and drug programs. Additional related costs of the justice, corrections, health and social service programs are staggering. The committee feels that it may be necessary to directly link funding levels for alcohol and drug treatment programs to liquor revenues.