Agreed.
Debates of Oct. 2nd, 1992
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Committee Motion 229-12(2): To Adopt Recommendation No. 96
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Revenues and recoveries and transfer payments. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Distribution of budget. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Program summary. Total O & M $39.957 million. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just with regard to some difficulties that Hay River is having. Between transportation and M.A.C.A., we have never been able to resolve this whole issue of who is actually responsible for the access road. The reserve does not have any source of gravel, either. They do have heavy equipment, a grader, a loader, and a gravel truck, but no source of gravel. I am just wondering, most of the communities and their highway systems do get a supply of gravel, like the Providence has a big stock of gravel that has been hauled during the winter months.
Actually, there is nothing there, so that is one problem that I hope will resolved soon. The other ones with regard to the ferry operations, I have cancelled them. I know that Jim is not here, but I understand there is supposed to be a ferry in operation there. I want to know, when?
There is an old C.N. bridge that is going to be dismantled on the Hay River, and I would like to know if there are any plans for that bridge, and whether or not you are going to buy it for a dollar and maybe use it at another location?
The third one, is whether there are any plans for the Willow Lake bridge. Again, that is not my constituency, but I thought maybe I should bring it up, too. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am not sure if I have all of the questions, but I will do the easy ones first.
The access road into the reserve at Hay River is a road that we are responsible for maintaining, but into the community, that is a different matter. We are not responsible for that part of the road, and I think that access road is an older road. It was built, I believe, by Arctic College, it used to be called A.V.T.C. at the time, and they built that road in there for that community way back in the 1970s, I think, or certainly the early 1980s. Again, we are responsible for upgrading it, keeping it open, and we are doing that as best we can.
The other question about the ferry operation, over the next year and a half, and a retrofit, we anticipate the Johnny Berens will be back in operation in 1994. That is when it is scheduled for, right at Camsell Bend, and the other question about Pine Point Bridge.
Yes, Mr. Chairman, that department is aware of the interest by the reserve in an all-weather crossing right at the community, and there has been some suggestions that we should take advantage of C.N.'s offer of this bridge that is located across the Hay River, and the department has already started a study in the early part of last month on the feasibility of this suggestion by taking advantage of this bridge. It is a fairly long span, Mr. Chairman, and it is not easy to relocate, but again, the study will give some idea of the costs and the possibilities. It is being looked at, and we should have a report back probably before the end of November.
The Willow Lake River should be completed by the target date of spring of 1994.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
One other thing, Mr. Chairman, the road that goes into Hay River, goes past the airport, and goes into Vale Island, I think it is. All of that section of road is considered a highway, and I am just wondering why the same thing does not apply to the road that is going into and through the reserve?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Member is correct. The highway does extend through the town of Hay River, down to the old town, and the new town, but the main transportation depot is located on Vale Island, and that is where a lot of the freight goes through, which is the reason for it. It is not a municipal part of our plan. It is an access road, a part of the highway, a continuation of the highway, and not a community access road. It is because the destination of the vehicles using that road, go to the harbour.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Mr. Chairman, I am not sure, but is this where I address highway patrols? I have not seen any section on that yet, but I am just wondering if that is also supposed to be in this one?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Thank you. I am wondering why the department has not singled out highway patrol, as one area. I know they operate quite a few vehicles, and most of them are on the MacKenzie River between Hay River and Yellowknife, so I wonder why it is not an item by itself? I am interested in finding out, I was talking to the Member from Inuvik, and he does not seem to recall having seen any patrol vehicles in his area, on the Arctic Highway either, so I am just wondering if it is restricted to only that one area?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. We do have a lot of major arterial parts of our highways. That is, I think, the area that the Member is referring to, is probably our busiest chunk of road. That is where most of the traffic is situated, the type of traffic that we are interested in, to the largest extent, is the heavy truck traffic.
We also do have highway patrol on the Dempster as well, in the Inuvik area, although they just seem to be more visible on the Hay River to Yellowknife stretch of the road.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Program summary, Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Do you have any patrols on the Liard highway, from the border up?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, the highway patrol does go to the border, from the Alberta border, to the British Columbia border, to the Liard highway. The frequency of their travel depends on the volume of traffic. A few years ago, when they were building the pipeline, there were a lot of trucks travelling to Fort Simpson, and consequently, patrols would have been stepped up in that area, to accommodate that larger volume.
They do go from border to border.