This is page numbers 33 - 49 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was capital.

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Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo, Mr. Antoine, Mr. Arngna'naaq, Hon. James Arvaluk, Hon. Michael Ballantyne, Mr. Bernhardt, Hon. Nellie Cournoyea, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Lewis, Mrs. Marie-Jewell, Ms. Mike, Hon. Don Morin, Mr. Ningark, Hon. Dennis Patterson, Hon. John Pollard, Mr. Pudlat, Mr. Pudluk, Mr. Todd, Hon. Tony Whitford, Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' Statements. Item 3, Members' Statements. Mr. Bernhardt.

Kitikmeot Concerns With Establishment Of Nunavut
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ernie Bernhardt Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like other honourable Members who have spoken, I want to express my appreciation to the people of Nunavut who voted so strongly in favour of ratifying the historical claim agreement with the Government of Canada. I would like to congratulate T.F.N. for a credible job.

However, I think there are a number of points which should be made right from the start about Kitikmeot concerns with the establishment of Nunavut. First, it is important to be clear that historically the people of the Kitikmeot have strong economic ties with Yellowknife, Inuvik and Nunakput communities. Even as Nunavut evolves we will want to see these long standing relationships remain in place. Secondly, in planning for a Nunavut government the interests of the Kitikmeot communities must be given equal priority with those of our Keewatin and Baffin neighbours. For too long the Kitikmeot has been denied its fair share of government infrastructure within the existing Northwest Territories. The future Nunavut leadership should realize right now that we will not tolerate the same treatment by the new government following division.

Finally, I want to send a clear message to T.F.N. and both the federal and territorial governments. In planning for the establishment of Nunavut, commission appointments and board developments must be made in a clear and honest fashion with appropriate representation from the grassroots of our communities, rather than the political back rooms. We have struggled too long with this sort of favouritism and closed door decision-making which has been typical of this government. We will not accept it in the process which leads to Nunavut.

I hope that T.F.N. and those who will be working on the Nunavut implementation recognize this clearly. We do not want to see one "old boys" network replaced with another. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kitikmeot Concerns With Establishment Of Nunavut
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Mr. Pudlat.

N.w.t.p.c. Operator For Lake Harbour
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This concern has been ongoing for quite some time. Although the Minister of the N.W.T. Power Corporation is not present it will also be of interest to the Minister of Education. When the N.W.T. Power Corporation employee from Lake Harbour has to go out on holidays he is not given a replacement. I think that there should be a local person trained or educated to run the Power Corporation when the permanent employee is on holidays. This individual should be trained on a ongoing basis. When you are in the smaller communities employment is hard to come by. For this reason, perhaps the Minister of Education and the Minister responsible for the N.W.T. Power Corporation could work together to help an individual be trained to replace the permanent staff member in Lake Harbour when that person is out of the community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

N.w.t.p.c. Operator For Lake Harbour
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

"working Toward A Common Future"
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after reviewing yesterday's unedited Hansard I am somewhat disappointed, and am still trying to figure out why the Minister of Aboriginal Rights and Constitutional Development placed forth his motion in this House. Mr. Speaker, I know I was one of the Members who continually pressed the Minister in September to discuss the document "Working Towards a Common Future," which is better known as the "Bourque Commission." Mr. Speaker, I pressed the Minister in September because I was concerned that the national referendum vote was coming up, but more importantly I was concerned because I knew that the eastern people were going to vote on their land claim regarding Nunavut and we did not have anything discussed or developed for the west.

Mr. Speaker, September was the most critical time to discuss this motion, not now. Now, Mr. Speaker, I believe that the Minister is a day late and probably a dollar short to find what he wants to do. Mr. Speaker, I do not want the native organizations to believe that voting against the Minister's motion is not wanting to hear their concerns. I strongly believe we need something for the west. Mr. Speaker, it was my understanding that the Western Caucus agreed to meet with the native leaders and develop a work plan before we bring it into this House for further discussion. I would urge the Minister to follow through with the Western Caucus agreement and develop a plan among us before we bring this issue in the House. Thank you.

"working Toward A Common Future"
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Mr. Antoine.

Opening Of Wrigley School
Item 3: Members' Statements

November 19th, 1992

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After the Legislative Assembly meets today I will be going to Fort Wrigley with the Minister of Education and his colleagues. They have just finished constructing the school so we are going to be opening it. These small schools in the communities are very important. They need new schools in order to be taught. In this way they can really benefit from it. The former M.L.A. for Nahendeh, Nick Sibbeston, was party to the opening of this school in Wrigley. Thank you.

Opening Of Wrigley School
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Mr. Zoe.

Diamond Prospecting And The Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the Rae Band Council meeting in the early part of October, a report was tabled which raised a very serious matter with respect to diamond prospecting and the Bathurst caribou herd.

Mr. Speaker, a report from an anonymous informant was given to the Rae band office recently which informed us that while this particular individual was working for a diamond prospecting company this past summer he witnessed a number of very disturbing incidents involving helicopters and the Bathurst caribou herd. Mr. Speaker, this individual reported that helicopters were literally all over the barrenland area where the Bathurst caribou herd fed in the summer. Helicopters were up and down and hovering at low heights over the caribou herds day in and day out, all summer long.

Mr. Speaker, the caribou became very spooked and frightened and would run in all directions stumbling, falling and even breaking their legs as they got caught in the rocky areas of the land. Mr. Speaker, my informant reported that many more caribou were seen with broken legs throughout the summer. These animals were unable to keep up with their herd and developed serious infections in their broken legs. Another impact observed, Mr. Speaker, was that these caribou were unable to feed properly since they were being scattered from their feeding grounds by helicopters moving up and down while staking claim.

Mr. Speaker, there has been considerable concern in the region among traditional hunters regarding the lack of fat on the caribou this year. They are very skinny and they have little fat on them this year. The informant indicated that the reason for this could be that they were not properly allowed to feed this past summer because of the disturbances by the helicopters. The greater concern is that due to lack of fat on the herd this year they will be unable to sustain themselves throughout the winter. This could cause a serious impact on the survival of the herd if a massive loss of caribou were to occur.

Diamond Prospecting And The Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Zoe, your allotted time has lapsed.

Diamond Prospecting And The Bathurst Caribou Herd
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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude.

Diamond Prospecting And The Bathurst Caribou Herd
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays, please proceed, Mr. Zoe.

Diamond Prospecting And The Bathurst Caribou Herd
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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Speaker, the Dogrib people are not opposed to diamond exploration and staking on their land. However, if the price we must pay is to lose one of our most important resources, caribou, then we would choose to preserve our caribou and leave the diamonds in the ground. Mr. Speaker, during question period I will be questioning the Minister of Renewable Resources in this regard. Thank you.

Diamond Prospecting And The Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Patterson.

Return To Question 1-12(3): Social Assistance Payments
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ningark on November 18, 1992 on social assistance payments, cash versus vouchers. The payment of social assistance partially in cash and the rest in vouchers is a part of our policy options. It is not a general policy of the government throughout the territories. Social assistance may be paid by cheque to: the recipient or a dependent, as directed by the recipient; a vendor or supplier and the recipient as joint payees; a vendor or supplier on behalf of the recipient; or, a trustee.

Assistance may also be paid on behalf of the recipient by travel warrant, accommodation warrant or cheque requisition. Social workers are required to discuss the method and frequency of payment with the clients who are experiencing budgetary difficulties in managing their assistance. A decision is made on the preference of the client and the ability of the client to manage his or her money.

In many communities where the payments are made only to the supplier, this has been the request of the town or hamlet council. The reason cited most often by the local officials is the client's misuse of social assistance funds for things like gambling and alcohol. It is the policy of the department to support the request of the local officials in issuing social assistance payments.

In the case raised by the Member for Natilikmiot, in relation to Gjoa Haven and Pelly Bay, this method is being used throughout the Kitikmeot region at the request of the Kitikmeot Regional Council. In March, 1992, the Kitikmeot Regional Council passed a motion which came from Spence Bay. The concern raised was that social assistance was being used for gambling or alcohol and requested that the department change to a voucher system. Although a concern was later raised by the Mayor of Pelly Bay, in June, that clients did not have sufficient flexibility to pay for some needs, the decision to continue the method was reaffirmed in the July meeting of the Kitikmeot Regional Council. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 1-12(3): Social Assistance Payments
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Zoe.

Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Renewable Resources. Could the Minister of Renewable Resources tell me why his office has not responded to a letter sent a month ago to the Minister's office by the Dogrib Rae Band requesting that the Minister investigate disturbing events involving diamond exploration helicopters and the Bathurst Caribou Herd, outlined earlier in my Members' Statement.

Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo.

Return To Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware that my department is doing something about this. As to what they are doing, I could get back to the Member as soon as I can. Thank you.

Return To Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Zoe.

Supplementary To Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I am quite appalled with the Minister and the way he is handling this disturbing concern, or this serious concern that has been submitted to his office, in writing. The Rae band, a month ago, submitted these disturbing events in writing to the Minister's office and, to this date, have not even received acknowledgement that the Minister is looking into it. That is what I am disturbed about. Why has the Minister not responded, even acknowledging the concern of the Rae band? I do not know why he has not done that yet. Could the Minister tell me why he has not even acknowledged the letter?

Supplementary To Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Question 22-12(3): Response To Letter Re Bathurst Caribou Herd
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo.