Is it agreed with the committee that we return to capital recoveries?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Page 11-34, Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Mr. Chairman, this is one area in which I am always having difficulty. It is with regard to the amount of contributions that communities make as their share of the recreation facility. I do not really know whether you have a process in place to determine what the share of the community is, or the accountability that is in place for the recoveries. Is there an audit done? If there is, what is the sweat equity? How is it measured? How is it valued? I still have to refer back to 1983 when Fort Providence paid $250,000 as their contribution and they paid it up front to the government before the project started. Since that time I have never seen a substantial amount of recoveries by communities. I am most interested in finding out if the type of requirement that was given to Providence is not being applied at this point in time with regard to recoveries? Is it just an ad hoc thing that really depends on the community's ability to see whether or not they could raise money, or can or cannot afford it? What is the criteria? I am really interested.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Pollard Hay River
Mr. Chairman, there are guidelines for this particular activity. They are being revamped right now because of the new contribution program to communities. As soon as those guidelines are revamped and put into place, we will make sure that each Member of the House gets a copy of those guidelines so there will be no confusion in future years. Mr. Gargan raises a point that has been brought up many times before. That is that there may have been different situations across the Northwest Territories. It may have appeared that communities were treated differently. It is a complex situation, Mr. Chairman, and the government is always trying to be fair to communities. Some communities request a larger building than they are entitled to, so consequently they have to pay more money. We will have those guidelines delivered to each of the Members as soon as they are updated. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Of course the new guidelines would be retroactive to 1983 then.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Good idea. Program summary, total capital expenditures $38.276 million. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Just one final comment, Mr. Chairman, with regard to services to the reserve. It has never been resolved and we keep running into the situation in which Indian and Northern Affairs have their own opinion on how services should be provided to the reserve. M.A.C.A. has the same kind of position. We have not really nailed down what the responsibility of this government is with regard to the reserve. I would hope that it would be resolved.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Pollard Hay River
A complex issue, I am sure you would agree, Mr. Chairman. Living next to the reserve, I have seen some of the struggles they have had to go through to get things accomplished. Mr. Menard tells me that the department is still trying to resolve those issues with the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs and will continue to do so. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Are we fairly close to resolving it now?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Pollard Hay River
Yes.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Ningark.
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a similar concern as Mr. Gargan has. This is in regard to the unorganized communities above the tree line in the eastern Arctic. Communities like Bay Chimo and Bathurst Inlet are not serviced by the federal government nor the territorial government to my understanding. I wonder if the Minister would indicate to me if this department has any plan to help the unorganized communities like Bathurst Inlet, Bay Chimo, etc. Thank you.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Pollard Hay River
Mr. Chairman, as I said at the beginning there is a new policy being drawn to assist those smaller communities, but I do not want to leave the House with any kind of commitment. When that policy is looked at, those communities will be looked at. At the present time they are classed as outpost camps. As much will be done for them as possible, but I would not want to commit in the House that there is going to be great goings on in those particular communities. They will be given due consideration, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Total capital expenditures $38.276 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Does the committee agree that concludes the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs? Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Is it the wish of the committee that we deal with the Department of Renewable Resources? No? Mr. Todd.