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Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the department has had a long history of community involvement with Jean Marie on this project. We have met with the Member from that area and explained what happened in the past with this project. The project will still proceed. Our department has no intention not to meet the community's needs to have a fair weather road out of that community. As a matter of fact, Mr. Chairman, each year for the last several years there has been work on this, but at the community's speed. What the community felt they could do, they have done and we have met those commitments. We are still going to work with the community. We have explained this to the Member so that he can alleviate any fears that the community might have that this is not going to go ahead. We are working very closely with the community to ensure that every dollar that the community is entitled to spend on that road, is earned by this community. We have no intention to build this road without community involvement. That is why it looks like it is not being spent because the community itself, Mr. Chairman, has not spent the money. We could go and build the road if we put the money aside by having an outside contractor go in and do it. This is not what the community wants, it is not what the department wants and it is not what the government wants. What we are doing is trying to accommodate the community to work at the speed at which they want to. After our meeting with the Member, we were satisfied that we are on the right track and that the money is not being hidden away to be spent somewhere else on other projects. It is just that we do not want to lose the money or let it sit there and lapse. We can accommodate the community's work plan into this amount of money, Mr. Chairman, and would like to continue on this way. I want to assure the Members that we have every intention of working with this community very closely to get their road, so that they can get their road at the speed in which they want to do it.

Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

To the motion. Mr. Antoine.

Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be voting in favour of this motion. I am going into the community this weekend to meet with them to discuss the things which the Minister has indicated. The community has indicated to me that it would like to continue with the process which was put in place a number of years ago. I know that the funding which was committed last year, in prior years, and in future years also was in the capital estimates last year, but it is not any more. This would show that this department is sincere in helping this community if we pass this motion. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

I have something which I would like to point out with regard to this motion, and that is that one of the difficulties the community has been experiencing is with regard to the right of way and where it should be. I think there have been differences between the department and the community. Because of this agreement there have been delays and lack of progress.

During the second week of November we met with the Fort Simpson Tribal Council and that was the difficulty. Most of the residents in Jean Marie feel that they know where the route should go. We are not talking about millions of dollars here, we are talking about hundreds, because you cannot be building roads through swamps or across creeks. Their feeling is that if they did it in higher areas where there is more ground and less swamp, then they probably could do more. These people know the area better than most of the people in the department. If that flexibility was there, I think they could resolve this issue quite quickly and get on with the work. I will be supporting the motion, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

To the motion, Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Yes, the department has met with the community to discuss the differences in the alignment of the right of way. While it is true that there was an area which was under some controversy as to whether it should be crossed or gone around, we are working with the community regarding that. There is still work which is being done and has been done in this area, that the Member quite correctly pointed out. It is a muskeg area, but it is an area which can be crossed in winter time and that is what has been done. We are making every effort to ensure that the road goes where people want it to go.

However, there has to be a little bit of compromise. I think this is being worked on with the community to ensure that building more roads to go around, does not exceed the budget where it would be cheaper to go through a swampy area for a shorter distance. There will be compromise, Mr. Chairman, it is not as if we are not working with the community. In this case I feel very confident that we are meeting every commitment that we can to ensure the community concerns are addressed on this project.

Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

Thank you. To the motion.

Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Committee Motion 14-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 18
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to bulk fuel storage, the committee was informed by the Minister that there is a little interest from local suppliers to privatize bulk fuel storage for highway maintenance camps. Nevertheless, the committee believes local suppliers should be given the opportunity to do this prior to making government capital expenditures.

Committee Motion 15-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 19
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommend that the Department of Transportation consider the privatization of the storage and dispensing of bulk fuel for maintenance camps.

Committee Motion 15-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 19
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Your motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Committee Motion 15-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 19
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to the Wrigley access road, the committee has determined that the section of road between Wrigley airport and the community is in poor condition, but neither the Department of Transportation nor the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has considered the road their responsibility in the past.

The committee is pleased that the Minister has indicated that as a result of our inquiries, the departments have committed to resolve this problem.

Committee Motion 16-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 20
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

November 24th, 1992

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

I move that this committee recommend that the Department of Transportation and Municipal and Community Affairs work together to identify funding and undertake a major reconstruction of the Wrigley access road necessary, in the 1993-94 Capital Estimates.

Committee Motion 16-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 20
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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Your motion is in order. To the motion.

Committee Motion 16-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 20
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Those are the committee's general comments for now, Mr. Chairman. We have a few more, but we will do them at a later time as we go through the budget. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 20
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

Thank you. General comments? Department of Transportation. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

General Comments

Committee Motion 16-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 20
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a couple of general comments as a Member, who has the privilege in my constituency to live nearby a highway system. Mr. Chairman, I am concerned about particular budget, even though it has not been noted as a capital priority of the community. I have in the past written to the Government Leader to indicate to her the concerns of the community, the inability and the non-commitment of the Department of Transportation to complete their paving program that they started back in the early 1980s from Sandy Lake to Fort Smith.

I note that in this particular budget, they do have $2.8 million for Highway No. 5 from kilometre zero to 40 for pavement overlay. I know Highway No. 5 is the highway system that we live nearby and this is to do pavement overlay for existing pavement. I am, once again, going to ask the Minister to consider looking at the new area of paving before we expend funding to do overlay on old paving. The old pavement is not in that bad of shape. I drive that highway quite frequently.

It is quite an inconvenience to have to go off the highway after 30 kilometres of Highway No. 5 and go onto a gravel road. There is no initiative from the Department of Transportation to forecast any type of paving for that gravelled area.

I would like to request the Minister, as a Member, to take into serious consideration and to priorize how they expend their funding. I am not asking to do all the paving in one year. There are about 90 kilometres, or I would say about 70 miles. Even if he considered paving that particular portion of our highway over a period of three or four years, we would be able to do it within the capital estimation that is before the House.

I would strongly urge the Minister, before repaving the existing pavement, to consider paving the existing gravelled area. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 20
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Mr. Todd.

Committee Motion 16-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 20
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, This is a comment in relation to the needs of the Minister and his staff, as I have said on a number of occasions, to take a much more aggressive approach to this whole transportation strategy and our relationship with the federal government.

I have not heard, to date, anything encouraging about any kind of cost-sharing initiatives for some of the basic transportation infrastructure that many of these communities want. Whether it is roads, marine, or otherwise.

We are not going to move this country forward, and Mr. Pollard has said it on a number of occasions, without some basic transportation infrastructure. Whether it is airstrips that can bring the right kind of aircraft in, docking that can bring larger boats in, or more fundamental roads that can move our goods and services.

I will be bringing this to the Minister's attention over the next few months and asking for his attention on this important initiative. He must be much more pro-active, particularly in these difficult financial times where the cost of developing this infrastructure is horrendous. Whether it is trying to build a road or build a wharf, the dollar value is enormous and without some kind of aggressive, joint initiative with the federal government, it going to be long after my time when we see the kind of infrastructure that is necessary.

So, I feel it has got to be a priority with this government. I think that the strategy that was developed perhaps requires some modification, but it is a basic tool that we can move forward on and set some priorities. Naturally, you have got to move within the times. Whether it is in mineral exploration or changing political attitude. However, the framework for moving forward on negotiations to seek some financial support to provide this basic infrastructure is there. I really think it should be a priority of the government and I would hope that in the coming months, the Minister would see it as such. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Charles Dent

General comments. Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yesterday, during question period we were told more than once, by more than one Minister, that the transportation strategy is the bible in which a lot of these capital developments and future developments are taking place. I would just like to re-iterate for the record that, in this current budget, there are no funds here for planning. I do not see any money for the extension of the Mackenzie Highway from Wrigley through to Inuvik and on through to Tuktoyaktuk.

I would like to put on the record that, again, this is a project that is needed in the Arctic for job creation and for the development of businesses and joint ventures. I think that is one of the things we are lacking.

I note in the departmental goals there are some good statements and that one of the goals is to maximize employment of northern and local residents, and maximum use of northern and local businesses in the design, construction and maintenance of the transportation network.

Another goal is public and private sectors and general public are informed and consulted on transportation programs and services. The department supports local employment in the development of a strong northern private sector. Also Affirmative Action and local involvement policies of the G.N.W.T. are reflected in the way in which programs of this department are carried out.

Mr. Chairman, I hope that departmental officials read these goals when doing their work of planning and consulting with communities, businesses and native groups in terms of developing stronger bonds, more native employment, more native businesses and better use of what we have up north. That is all I wanted to say. Thank you.