This is page numbers 251 - 272 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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Development Of Mineral Production
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Ernie Bernhardt Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be asking the appropriate Minister what progress has been made in building this infrastructure. I hope they will have some optimistic news that we can take to our people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Development Of Mineral Production
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Ms. Mike.

Clean Up Of D.e.w. Line Sites
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today on behalf of the Baffin Central communities to express appreciation for the diligent efforts that have been undertaken by the federal Department of National Defence during the design phase of the clean up of ten former D.E.W. Line sites. Mr. Speaker, you are aware that for many years the people of our Arctic communities have been troubled by the presence of these unsightly and potentially dangerous areas. I am pleased to report that, after waiting for such a long time, we are finally seeing some progress.

Public consultation meetings were held in August, 1992, to collect local input on how best to carry out the clean up of the first ten sites to be targeted. Although there was supposed to be a second round of public meetings this fall, the decision has now been made to postpone these until scientific studies on the next 11 sites have been completed. By postponing the second round of community consultation until the spring of 1993, it would be possible to provide more detailed information on clean up procedures and to allow for more meaningful discussions of all 21 sites.

Mr. Speaker, I have been very impressed with the approach the Department of National Defence has been taking with this project. They are approaching it as a partnership with the affected communities, and special efforts are being made to communicate with the mayors and councils involved. With this excellent start, I look forward to the days when these damaged lands will be clear of the discarded equipment and garbage that has offended the Inuit for so many years. I have spoken in this House before, Mr. Speaker, about aboriginal people being the guardians of our natural environment. We care for the land on which we have been placed. We nurture it back to health when it has been injured.

I am pleased to note that our communities are performing this role, in partnership with the Government of Canada. I would like to compliment the Department of National Defence for their part in this important initiative. Thank you.

Clean Up Of D.e.w. Line Sites
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Ms. Mike. I do note that Ms. Mike finished within the proper time frame. Item 3, Members' Statements. Mr. Antoine.

Difficulties Faced By Trappers
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. As all Members are aware, the Northwest Territories is going through very difficult economic times. People from all walks of life are affected by the poor performance of the economy. However, Mr. Speaker, nowhere is this economic difficulty felt more than by Dene and Metis people in the communities. These are people who are trappers. Not only do they face the pressure of a declining economy, but at the same time they face pressures from misguided anti-fur activists. The cost of food, supplies and equipment for trappers has been steadily rising over the years, while at the same time, decreases in the price of fur has meant a dramatic drop in the income of trappers. Mr. Speaker, the Trap Exchange Program has also added to this problem. Trappers are told to exchange their leg hold traps for improved traps. The government is funding this exchange. Trapping is a tough life under normal circumstances, and this exchange is

an added burden to a lot of people because of the confusion that it causes.

Mr. Speaker, the combination of these factors is making it virtually impossible for trappers in the Northwest Territories to earn a living now. Mr. Speaker, there are many elders in the Northwest Territories who wish to continue to pursue traditional hunting and trapping lifestyles. However, the current system penalizes some of these trappers if they wish to pursue a traditional livelihood. Many elders who receive old age pension benefits have any income they earn from trapping deducted from their monthly pension cheques. It is a disincentive for many elders to pursue a traditional lifestyle today.

Mr. Speaker, when elders can pursue their lifestyle it creates a more healthy person in body and spirit. It is my opinion that Members of the House should do everything possible to allow people to continue and pursue a traditional way of life. Mahsi.

Difficulties Faced By Trappers
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Item 3, Members' Statements. Mr. Ningark.

Member's Statement Regarding Today's Youth
Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand today to make a statement with regard to our young people who will be running the government in the future. As M.L.A.s, we all have children, sisters and brothers who will be working with the government in the future. They will be the ones who will be running our land and working in Yellowknife as well as other areas in the Northwest Territories.

Today, there are young people who are living with two different cultures. I am sure it is very stressful for the young people who have to live that way. We have to think about what we can do for them in order for them to work and make a living. They will be helping us in the future. While we are meeting today, we have to make them see the work we are doing and the issues that we are dealing with, with regard to social services, the women's organizations and education. We have to get them involved in the process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement Regarding Today's Youth
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Item 3, Members' Statements. Mr. Whitford.

Member's Statement Regarding The Dedication Of N.W.T. Power Corporation Employees
Item 3: Members' Statements

December 2nd, 1992

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are many men and women who provide services to the residents of the Northwest Territories, who are engaged in extremely hazardous occupations such as police, fire fighters and similar service employees whom we often take for granted. They risk their lives whenever there is an emergency. These dedicated individuals are observed by all of us on a regular basis and every once in a while we publicly show our gratitude and pay tribute to those who help to ensure our safety.

However, it seems that there are people who are forgotten. As the winter season approaches I am reminded of storms in which the blizzard conditions reduce visibility to a few metres and confine us all to the warmth and security of our homes. Mr. Speaker, there are few people who would venture out during these conditions, but there are those who do on a regular basis. We can all recall with some trepidation when the lights flicker and go out on those windy blustery days. It is usually easy to remember the relief we feel when, a short time later, the power is restored. Most of the time, when the power fails it is not some state of the art computer that restores our electricity. It is the dedicated plant operators and line crew of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation and other such people who brave extreme conditions, climb poles and make repairs. These individuals are on call under all-weather conditions and all throughout the year. They venture out to service the many kilometres of power lines so that we can remain safe and comfortable within our homes.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to salute those employees of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation for their self-sacrifice, dedication of service and for keeping our homes warm, safe, bright and secure. Thank you.

---Applause

Member's Statement Regarding The Dedication Of N.W.T. Power Corporation Employees
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Whitford. Item 3, Members' Statements. Mr. Pudlat.

Department Of Government Services And Public Works In Sanikiluaq
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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a concern in Sanikiluaq. In Sanikiluaq the responsibilities for petroleum products are dealt with by D.P.W. and we would like this to stay as is. Mr. Speaker, this is what the people of Sanikiluaq would like to see and this will be one of the questions I will be bringing up later. Thank you.

Department Of Government Services And Public Works In Sanikiluaq
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' Statements. Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Pollard.

Further Return To Question 34-12(3): Employee Training For Kiosk
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Zoe on November 20, 1992. It concerns the employee training for a kiosk in Toronto.

Arctic Canada has been open for four months, since July 23, 1992. The staff of Arctic Canada at the time of hiring are given a package of N.W.T. tourism information which they are expected to know within their first week of employment. This package includes the N.W.T. 1992 Explorer's Guide and one of each of the eight new ED&T arts and crafts brochures covering the areas of birch bark baskets, tufting, performing arts, beadwork, print making, carving, tanned hides and quill work. After completing several shifts at Arctic Canada, the staff members are given a written quiz on the information that they have read. Arctic Canada also has, at the kiosk, a library of resource materials which contains a broad perspective of information on the Northwest Territories. Employees are expected to increase their knowledge of the Northwest Territories by reviewing this material.

At the time of the kiosk opening, the staff was taken to Canadian Arctic producers and to the Northwest Company in Toronto and given a seminar by the managers of each of the facilities. Also, Mr. Speaker, Doug Stewart, one of the original Pangnirtung weave shop managers, spent an evening with the staff.

The general manager and staff of Arctic Canada realize the important role that they play as ambassadors for the north. A Member's concern has been brought to the attention of all staff at Arctic Canada and they will make every effort to provide accurate, timely and interesting information about the Northwest Territories and about the products in the kiosk and their place of origin. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 34-12(3): Employee Training For Kiosk
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Ms. Cournoyea.

Return To Question 86-12(3): Honorariums For Board Of Inquiry Members
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on November 25, 1992 regarding honorariums for Board of Inquiry members. The honourable Member for Thebacha has asked whether the members of the Board of Inquiry, under the Medical Profession Act, receive an honorarium. Mr. Speaker, members of the Board of Inquiry, like all members of N.W.T. boards, are eligible for honorariums on a per diem basis for time spent on board matters such as attendance at regular meetings or hearings. Their expenses for travel, accommodation, or meals reimbursed are in accordance with the Government of the Northwest Territories' policy for duty travel. Thank you.

Return To Question 86-12(3): Honorariums For Board Of Inquiry Members
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 154-12(3): Implementation Of Recommendations On Legal Aid System
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this is in response to a question asked by Mr. Zoe on December 1, 1992, regarding the implementation of recommendations on the legal aid system.

The legal aid system has come under review from a variety of sources over the past few years. Recommendations have been directed at the department from the "Strength at Two Levels" report, the report of the Auditor General and the report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts.

Our immediate critical concern was controlling expenditures in times of fiscal restraint. A focal point of the restraining measures was, and is, the controlling of fees and disbursements payable to lawyers. This has been pursued aggressively. The Legal Services Board, in response to the economic situation, imposed stringent restraints during the last few months of the last fiscal year. Although those restraint measures were lifted, the economizing has continued and expenditures are within control. For the first time in years the department will not be seeking supplementary funding for legal aid fees and payments.

The Department of Justice and the Legal Services Board have been coordinating their efforts to address the future of legal aid. The department has reviewed and analyzed recommendations from various sources and developed an internal legal aid action plan. This has been presented to the Legal Services Board for review. The plan was not intended to dictate to the board, but rather to provide them with some assistance in reviewing the issues on which they have the mandate to make decisions. Some of the changes do depend upon having a full-time executive director in place. An earlier competition was unsuccessful, but a part-time person has been in place on a contract basis to keep things going. A second competition has closed and I have been advised that the interviews should be held before Christmas. The competitions for staff legal aid lawyers have also closed and it is expected that the interviews will take place before Christmas. This action was taken as a result of recommendations from the "Strength at Two Levels" report and the action plan developed by the department.

The department has also been looking at such issues as eligibility criteria, means testings and contributions. Consideration is being given to what changes could be made to the Legal Services Act and regulations.

We will be assisting the new executive director of the Legal Services Board and the board itself in whatever way we can to implement improvements to the system.

Negotiations between the department, the Legal Services Board and the Law Society are being carried out to determine a new tariff or schedule of fees payable to lawyers in private practice who do legal aid work. It is anticipated that they will conclude in the near future.

Progress is being made in the implementation of measures that will improve the legal aid system in the Northwest Territories. It is not my intention to sacrifice the quality of legal aid services in order to implement changes quickly. To get the best value for our money in the long run, I believe that the methodical implementation process that we are pursuing is warranted. Thank you.

Return To Question 154-12(3): Implementation Of Recommendations On Legal Aid System
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

I would like to take this opportunity to recognize in the gallery the Mayor, Ray Michaud, and the Deputy Mayor, Tom Wilson, of the village of Fort Simpson.

---Applause

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 142-12(3): Upgrade Of Computer Information System
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

This is in response to a question asked by Mr. Zoe on December 1, 1992, regarding the upgrade of the computer information system. Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Public Accounts recommended that the Department of Justice and the Legal Services Board develop adequate legal aid information systems. It was also recommended by the Auditor General.

The department fully recognizes the need for a comprehensive information system. A schedule to the regulations made pursuant to the Legal Services Act sets out rules for determining financial eligibility for legal aid. Some of the difficulties which were noted in the Auditor General's Report can be attributed to a lack of documentation of reasons for determining whether a client is eligible for legal aid or not. The general rule is that an applicant is financially eligible when the applicant receives most of his or her income from social assistance, or if the legal fees for services would reduce the applicant's income to a level where he or she would become eligible for social assistance. A good information system will document the reasons for finding a person eligible or ineligible. It will provide meaningful statistics on this and a number of other issues.

The Legal Services Board presently has a micro-based computer information system. This system does not meet the complete management information requirements of the Department of Justice, the Legal Services Board, or the Auditor General. The department recognizes the inadequacy of the system and intends to upgrade the current system by October, 1993. This is a short-term measure; the long-term solution to the lack of adequate management statistics will be the development of a new automated system.

The following steps will be taken by the department, in consultation with the Legal Services Board, from now until the end of the 1993-94 fiscal year.

We will work with systems and computer services staff of the Department of Government Services and Public Works to develop the terms of reference for a new management information system. We will identify the costs associated with the development of such a system. We will canvass other jurisdictions with regard to the compatibility and availability of existing systems. We will determine both internal and external information requirements. These will include the requirements of the Legal Services Board, the executive director of the board, the Department of Justice management, other G.N.W.T. management, the Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics and the Auditor General.

It is anticipated that by the end of 1993-94 all the information requirements will have been determined and that the development of a new system with the modification of an existing system from another jurisdiction will be possible. The competition for the position of executive director of the legal services board closed recently.

We believe that hands-on involvement will be required for someone working in the legal aid system, in the development of a new cost-effective information system.

As I said earlier, the development of the new information system will have to be done with a clear method and a well thought out process. It will also be a very costly enterprise. With that in mind, it has to be cost effective and much planning will have to go into the development of it. Thank you.

Return To Question 142-12(3): Upgrade Of Computer Information System
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Whitford

Return To Question 110-12(3): Status Of Pys For Safety Education
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is return to question 110-12(3), asked by Mrs. Jeannie Marie-Jewell on November 26, 1992, concerning the status of PYs for safety education.

Mr. Speaker, the three person years identified in the 1991-92 Main Estimates for safety education are no longer in existence.

One individual, the Librarian, who was previously funded under this program is being carried by the vacancy factor in the safety division. Thank you.

Return To Question 110-12(3): Status Of Pys For Safety Education
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Pollard.

Further Return To Question 60-12(3): Reason For Ed&t Staff Travel To The Far East
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my return is to question 60-12(3), asked by Mr. Dent on November 23, 1992. It concerned the reason for Economic Development and Tourism staff travelling to the far east.

Mr. Speaker, the director of product development, planning and regulations for ED&T and tourism operator representatives from Northwinds, Nahanni Mountain Lodge and Adventure Northwest participated in Kanata 1992, between November 10 and 13 of this year. While the three operators sold their own packages the tourism director represented all other Northwest Territories' products.

Kanata is a specialized tourism marketplace in which both Canadian sellers and Japanese buyers assemble at one venue, enabling them to engage in travel, trade development and business negotiations. The department and private sector operators have participated in this marketplace since 1990. The Kanata annual marketplace is organized by the Canadian Embassy in Tokyo, which selects and qualifies 55 Japanese travel agencies to sell Canadian tourism products in Japan. Canadian operators and government organizations apply individually to attend as sellers and are selected by the Canadian Embassy. As a result of past dealings with Kanata, the Northwest Territories has continued to grow. Key travel trade wholesalers are extending their tour offerings beyond the popular Aurora product in Yellowknife and there is now extensive interest in other parts of the Northwest Territories.

During the course of Kanata, Mr. Speaker, each of the Northwest Territories' participants held 45 private business sessions with Japanese buyers. Other open sessions provided additional contacts with interested Japanese buyers. Further, pre- and post-Kanata meetings were held in Tokyo with the Japan Travel Corporation, a company that initiated Japanese tour travel to the Northwest Territories. The department will provide Northwest Territories operators with a detailed contact list of interested Japanese travel agencies. Operators will be asked to report on sales related to the contacts. Subsequently, the net value of offshore marketplace activities can be determined. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 60-12(3): Reason For Ed&t Staff Travel To The Far East
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions, Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 151-12(3): Completion Of Code Of Rights
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this is in response to question 151-12(3), asked by Mr. Zoe on December 1, 1992, regarding the completion of code of rights.

The Standing Committee on Public Accounts recommended that a simply worded code of rights with respect to legal aid be developed and published in the official languages. The idea is a very good one. It is our intention to consult with the Legal Services Board in the development of a pamphlet which will inform the people of the Northwest Territories what they are entitled to and what their responsibilities are.

The development of such a pamphlet is consistent with the report of the Special Advisor on Gender Equality, which recommends that the Legal Services Board take steps to better inform the public of the procedures involved in applying for legal aid and the mechanisms available for the review of a decision respecting qualification.

The Lawline operates from 6:00 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. on Tuesday and Thursday nights with volunteer lawyers staffing the phones. It is a 1-800 number which people may call to ask for free legal advice. People can use this service to find out information about their rights.

There is already a pamphlet on legal aid available in Inuktitut, French and English from the Arctic Public Legal Education and Information Society. It gives some information to the public on legal aid.

The development of a more detailed pamphlet can begin once it has been determined what changes are to be made to legal aid entitlement and to the responsibilities of clients. Thank you.