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Committee Report 5-12(3): Special Committee On Health And Social Services, Interim Report No. 3
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps the most frequent concern voiced to us was about some aspects of the Social Assistance Program. Most stated that the money they got was not enough. The shortfall was acutely felt by those recipients who did not hunt. This is not surprising. As we pointed out in our last report, the social assistance food allowance is only enough to pay about 60 per cent of the cost of buying a nutritious supply of food for families in the Northwest Territories.

We reaffirm our call for a major overhaul of the way financial assistance is provided to the Northwest Territories residents. While these long-term fundamental changes are being considered, specific adjustments still need to be made immediately. Action is needed to respond to people's concerns about not being able to meet their family's basic needs. People need to be able to provide enough good food for their families, and they can be helped to do this in a number of ways.

The key is a flexible approach geared to a client's situation, one of providing more money to buy food or to purchase supplies or gas to go out on the land to harvest it.

People need to be able to properly clothe their families. Speakers made it clear that the current clothing allowances are not enough to buy suitable clothing at local prices. Our climate demands that people be properly clothed.

People need to be encouraged to earn money. The current earned income exemption provision appears to have the opposite effect. Clients told us that they did not see any point in earning money beyond the exemption amount as it only reduced their social assistance benefits by the same amount. To avoid the penalty, some risk prosecution by lying about their earnings. Many people seem to be confused about what percentage of their earnings from carvings or from handicrafts they needed to claim. This aspect of the Social Assistance Program needs to be structured so that the client is better off if he works. The client should always keep at least some portion of every dollar earned.

Programs need to be more understandable to those who seek help. We came across clients who thought they were not eligible for certain benefits or payment options. We checked and found they were eligible. The complexity of the program and the work load of the workers combine to limit chances to clarify such misunderstandings. One such example is the provision of seasonal clothing for children whose parents receive social assistance and who move to another community to continue school. The child is deleted from the parents' social assistance budget because he or she is not living at home. The Department of Education pays for the student's room and board but not the student's clothing needs.

If the student is at least 16, she can apply or he can apply for her own or his own social assistance. If he or she qualifies, he or she becomes eligible for a seasonal clothing allowance after three months on a pro-rated basis of a certain amount monthly. So what does the student do if it is November? Can he or she wait three months to get a warm coat? I doubt very much if she can, or he can.

From what we heard, the Social Assistance Program is complex and confusing to clients. Ways must be found for clients to thread their way successfully through the maze and get the help that they need.

One other aspect, the Social Assistance Manual, from our experience, should be in the language, in this particular case in the Nunavut area, in Inuktitut. With access to support and counselling, there needs to be more access to help people trying to cope with those things that make their lives difficult if not unbearable and unlivable.

On the matter of respite care, people need some relief from their responsibilities of caring for relatives with special needs. Some parents of mentally handicapped adults or children wanted to be able to turn over the care giver job to a home care or a day care worker.

Others talked of wanting a group home or a long-term care facility for temporary or permanent placement of their family member with special needs. The committee recommends that the government review the proposed respite care policy developed by the Northwest Territories Council for Disabled Persons and move to implement it.

On the matter of the community council, people need to be able to seek help for personal and family crises within their own community. Those with whom we spoke pointed out the costs of failing to meet this need in terms of continued family breakdown and violence and suicide. Flying therapists in or flying clients out for intense week long sessions is expensive and benefits only a few, due to the costs involved. Services need to be available within a community. People need ongoing support as they try to heal themselves and their families. As many pointed out to us, elders and other care giving community members can play an effective role in helping people heal. There are those who focus on the use of local para-professionals, with support and training from skilled regional specialists, have been used in the Northwest Territories to offer this support. What is needed to ensure success is the staff and the financial resources to ensure that the helpers are adequately trained and supported in their work. If they are to continue to be helpful, those who listen to people and share their pain, must in turn have someone who supports and listens to them. The committee, therefore, urges the government to look into a pilot project involving provision of para-professional counselling at the community level. The project must include the provision of ongoing training and support to community care givers to ensure maximum benefits. An evaluation component needs to be built in to ensure that assessments can be made as to the success of the initiative.

In this report we have presented the major concerns of those whom we met in the Keewatin. We have recommended action for those concerns which seem particularly compelling. Some refer to shifting to more inclusive approaches to assessing needs planning and delivering services that involve staff and consumers. These are shifts that we see as necessary if we are to be effective in responding to the needs of the people of the Northwest Territories.

Other recommendations call for immediate policy changes or expansion of programs to make them more responsive to the needs of the people of the Northwest Territories. In order to achieve our committee's overall goals, much more information needs to be gathered for our committee's database. It will come from our remaining regional consultations and research projects. This additional information will support and expand on what we have heard and recommended, as well as giving rise to other recommendations.

Our next regional consultation will occur from January 25 to 29, 1993, in the communities in Nahendeh, Deh Cho and in Hay River. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Nerysoo.

Motion To Move Committee Report 5-12(3) To Committee Of The Whole

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, that concludes the third interim report of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services. Therefore, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife, Frame Lake, that the third interim report of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services be received by the Assembly and moved into the Committee of the Whole for consideration.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Committee Report No. 5-12(3), Special Committee on Health and Social Services, is ordered into the Committee of the Whole. We will take a short break.

---SHORT BREAK

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

I call this Assembly back to order. We are dealing with Item 10, Reports of Standing and Special Committees. Mr. Koe.

Committee Report 6-12(3): Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions, Report On The Proposed Elimination Of The Board Of Directors For The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation
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Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a report from the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions, on the proposed elimination of the Board of Directors for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions has completed its review of a proposal to eliminate the Board of Directors of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation and replace it with an alternative framework for ensuring public input into senior management and policy decisions on housing. This review was undertaken in response to a written request from the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

The standing committee met on several occasions to review the rationale and substance of the Minister's plan. The standing committee expressed concern that some of the reasons indicated by the Minister for eliminating the board were inappropriate. Arguments that boards and agencies are inconsistent with the concept of ministerial government or that decisions to eliminate government created boards and agencies should be made solely on the basis of the "Strength at Two Levels" report cannot be supported.

Similarly, the standing committee finds that the assumption that significant cost savings will always be realized through the elimination of boards to be dubious. The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions was of the opinion that decisions respecting the elimination of boards and agencies should occur only when there is evidence that the existing structure is not working well and would be improved by an alternative approach.

Upon reviewing the situation surrounding the Board of Directors within the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions came to the conclusion that the existing structure did contain many inefficiencies and presented an ineffective and uneconomic approach to managing housing programs. Accordingly, the standing committee gave support to the Minister's proposal to eliminate the Board of Directors.

Mr. Speaker, in doing so however, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions was mindful of the need to ensure that there is adequate public input from the community level into policy development within the Housing Corporation. Therefore, the elimination of the Board of Directors was considered conditional on the development of some alternative mechanism for ensuring appropriate consultation and communication with community leadership and stakeholders.

At the request of the standing committee the Minister brought forward a comprehensive plan from a framework that would facilitate a new approach to community consultation. The Minister proposed that a system of annual district meetings should be implemented and that, in addition, annual public meetings should be held in each community. Increased consultation with local housing organizations and with local governments are also planned.

The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions was supportive of these plans and has recommended that they should be initiated during the 1993-94 fiscal year. To ensure that public input is transmitted to and appropriately dealt with at senior management levels, the Minister proposed the establishment of a Special Advisory Committee on Housing, with a membership of seven M.L.A.s. While there are a significant number of concerns about the proposed structure and mandate of the special advisory committee, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions was generally supportive of the principle. The standing committee has recommended that the Minister proceed with his plans to establish such a body but recognized that many specific details would need to be discussed when the Minister brings forward his formal motion to establish a committee and its terms of reference.

In summary, Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions has found that there are definite merits to the Minister's plan to eliminate the Board of Directors for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, provided that the board is replaced with the proposed consultation framework. The standing committee has recommended that the Minister proceed with this plan and that the Executive Council provide a comprehensive response to all recommendations in this report within 120 days. Mr. Speaker, that concludes my introductory remarks to this report.

Motion To Move Committee Report 5-12(3) To Committee Of The Whole

Therefore, I would like to move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nahendeh, that the report of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions on the Proposed Elimination of the Board of Directors for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation be received and moved into the Committee of the Whole for further consideration.

Committee Report 6-12(3): Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions, Report On The Proposed Elimination Of The Board Of Directors For The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The motion is in order, Mr. Koe.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Committee Report 6-12(3), Report on the Proposed Elimination of the Board of Directors for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation by the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions shall be put into the Committee of the Whole. Reports of Standing and Special Committees. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I have a report from the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions. It is a report on the proposed elimination of the Student Financial Assistance Board.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Please proceed, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions has on occasion received requests from Cabinet Ministers to comment on certain government initiatives. This is very much in keeping with the spirit of the consensus style government which offers greater opportunity for a collaborative approach between the Executive Council and standing committees of the Legislative Assembly.

The standing committee priorities for the current fiscal year were established early in the first session when it tabled its work plan on Committee Report 3-12(1). In addition to these, however, the standing committee also agreed to respond during the third session to requests from the Executive Council for input respecting the proposed elimination of three boards. The current report comments on the standing committee's review of a plan advanced by the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment Programs, to eliminate the Student Financial Assistance Board.

Further reports will deal with the request for input regarding the Denendeh Conservation Board and the Board of Directors of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions received correspondence on January 8, 1992, from the former deputy minister of Education indicating the department's intent to dissolve the Student Financial Assistance Board and requesting committee consideration of these plans. The standing committee met on March 24, 1992 and agreed to review the Minister's initiative.

Throughout this review the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions has focused on the following aspects: the history of the development of the Student Financial Assistance Board; the rationale for considering elimination of the board; and, the development of an alternative framework for ensuring appropriate levels of community and particularly student input into student financial assistance policies and decisions. The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions completed the review of this matter on its meeting of October 27, 1992. The committee wishes to acknowledge the cooperation received from the Minister and his officials in responding to requests for information over the course of the review.

The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions was aware that there has been a long history of the use of management and advisory boards within the Student Financial Assistance Program. These have been established under the Student Financial Assistance Act and regulations made under that act. Between 1982 and 1989, four regional boards held statutory duties to review applications for student financial assistance to determine the eligibility of applicants and to make recommendations to a central review board. This system proved cumbersome and inefficient, and decisions were often delayed on students' applications that had arrived after the formal meetings of the boards.

The former Minister of Education, the Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, introduced amendments to the Student Financial Assistance Act which were granted assent on April 11, 1989. The former Minister provided the Committee of the Whole in the 11th Assembly with the following explanation of the proposals and rationale of these amendments, "The amendment will eliminate the regional student financial assistance boards and the Student Financial Assistance Review Board. It will establish a Student Financial Assistance Board, which will be an advisory to the Minister on all matters related to Student Financial Assistance Programs. The board will not be involved in the day to day operations of the program."

While it was felt at the time that this new board format would provide advice to the Minister and departmental administration, the fact is that it has met only once since the members were appointed in July, 1990. Although the members of the board have maintained a continuing commitment to their responsibilities, the advisory input from the board has actually been very limited. No specific recommendations have been forwarded to the Minister and the Minister has made no formal requests for board comments. This may be due to the fact that the Student Financial Assistance Program has now been in place for ten years and there have been plenty of precedents and policies accepted and approved by the Minister which already provide effective guidelines for administration of the program.

The department has recommended to the Minister that the Student Financial Assistance Board should be disbanded and that the Student Financial Assistance Act and the regulations should be amended to delete the board.

In reviewing this proposal, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions was originally concerned with the need to ensure that appropriate mechanisms were in place to ensure that the department receives community input on the student financial assistance policy. Recognizing the special challenges often faced by northern students who decide to pursue a post-secondary education, it was felt that a priority should be placed on ensuring that the student financial assistance policy is developed in the clearest and most effective terms. This cannot take place, in the view of the standing committee, without ensuring the appropriate representation of regional interest.

At the request of the standing committee, the Minister provided additional information which demonstrated that other channels of communication have already opened up which offer more effective input on student needs or policy deficiencies that the Student Financial Assistance Board has not been able to provide. These include direct contact with the growing number of student associations on southern campuses and at all Arctic College locations. Individual students have demonstrated that they are comfortable in bringing forward concerns and policy questions to departmental personnel, the Minister or the M.L.A.

Recommendations about any necessary program management revisions can be generated by the Standing Committees on Finance or Public Accounts, the Auditor General of Canada and/or the territorial Audit Bureau.

The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions recognizes that the existing board structure is not performing its essential advisory function and it is not the most effective mechanism for providing community level input at the present time. As such, the standing committee agreed to the Minister's proposal to eliminate the Student Financial Assistance Board.

Therefore, the committee recommends that the Minister proceed with the proposed elimination of the Student Financial Assistance Board and, further, that the Minister should introduce the corresponding amendments to the Student Financial Assistance Act during the Third Session of the 12th Assembly.

The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions was also of the opinion that the Legislative Assembly should continue to be advised of the department's progress in this regard.

Therefore this committee recommends that in accordance with rule 90(4), the Executive Council table a comprehensive response to the recommendations contained in this report to the Assembly within 120 days of the presentation of this report to the House. Mahsi.

Motion To Move Committee Report 7-12(3) To Committee Of The Whole

Mr. Speaker, that concludes our report on this matter now. Therefore, I would like to move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik, that the report of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions, on the proposed elimination of the Student Financial Assistance Board be received and moved into Committee of the Whole for further consideration.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Motion is in order, Mr. Antoine.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Committee Report 7-12(3), Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions, Report on the Proposed Elimination of the Student Financial Assistance Board, put into Committee of the Whole. Reports on Standing and Special Committees. Item 11, Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills. Mr. Arngna'naaq.

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Silas Arngna'naaq Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Legislation has reviewed Bills 4, 5, 6 and 11 and wishes to report that Bills 5, 6 and 11 are now ready for Committee of the Whole and that Bill 4 is now ready for Committee of the Whole as amended and reprinted.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 66(5) and have Bills 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 11 moved into Committee of the Whole today.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there are nays? There are no nays. Pursuant to Rule 66(3) on the order of the Assembly, Bills 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 11 are ordered into Committee of the Whole for today. Thank you, Mr. Arngna'naaq. Tabling of Documents. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table Tabled Document 29-12(3), amended page 8 of Tabled Document 18-12(3), Community Transfer Initiative Implementation Plan. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Tabling of Documents. Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table Tabled Document 30-12(3), a booklet published by the Northwest Territories Literacy Council, entitled "I Remember", a collection of short stories written by northerners.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Tabling of Documents. Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Section 32, Subsection 3 of the Financial Administration Act, I wish to table Tabled Document 31-12(3), a list of funds transferred exceeding $250,000 for the period March 23, 1992, to November 19, 1992. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Tabling of Documents. Item 13, Notices of Motion. Mr. Koe.