This is page numbers 185 - 206 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was capital.

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Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo, Mr. Antoine, Mr. Arvaluk, Hon. Michael Ballantyne, Mr. Bernhardt, Hon. Nellie Cournoyea, Mr. Dent, Mr. Gargan, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Koe, Mr. Lewis, Mrs. Marie-Jewell, Ms. Mike, Hon. Don Morin, Mr. Nerysoo, Hon. John Ningark, Hon. Dennis Patterson, Hon. John Pollard, Mr. Pudlat, Mr. Pudluk, Mr. Todd, Hon. Tony Whitford, Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Good afternoon. Orders of the day for Friday, February 28, 1992. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Ms. Cournoyea.

Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I wish to inform the House that the Hon. Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House on March 3rd and 4th, to attend a meeting of provincial/territorial Ministers responsible for aboriginal affairs. Provincial and territorial officials met in Yellowknife last spring to plan this meeting following the Oka crisis and the disintegration of the Meech Lake Accord. The NWT delegation will have full status at this meeting.

As well, the Hon. John Ningark will also be absent on March 3rd, 4th and 5th, to attend various meetings in Vancouver and Ottawa. These include: meeting with the Hon. John Crosbie to discuss the Baffin fishery and quotas, and Government of the Northwest Territories' representation in the Department of Fisheries and Oceans' departmental reform process in relation to licensing and allocation issues; a meeting with the Fur Institute of Canada and Indigenous Survival International, as part of his ongoing commitment to support the fur industry; a meeting with the Canadian committee on UNESCO to promote the use of traditional knowledge in resource management; the National Forest Congress to sign an accord to ratify the national forest strategy, and to meet with a representative of the BC Minister of Forests to discuss transboundary forest issues in the Fort Liard area. Thank you.

The Speaker

Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Mr. Whitford.

Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Nicola Valley Institute of Technology, in conjunction with Arctic College and funded by the Department of Social Services, child sexual abuse program, has offered training to native social service workers and alcohol and drug workers who are involved in the delivery of service to victims and adult survivors of child sexual abuse. The training program commenced in September of 1991 and was completed as of February 28, 1992. Graduation for the participants took place yesterday, February 27, and I was pleased to attend those ceremonies and speak to the graduates.

The participants have travelled from their communities to Yellowknife for this training, which consisted of five two-week sessions, and came from the following communities: Fort Norman, Rankin Inlet, Coppermine, Baker Lake, Fort Franklin, Fort Good Hope, Yellowknife, Arviat, Fort Providence, Inuvik, Pangnirtung, Fort Smith and Aklavik.

There was a three-week period between each session where participants returned to their communities to put their learning experiences to practical use. This training has enhanced the workers' knowledge and skills necessary to provide programming and services for the prevention and treatment of sexual abuse.

A further period of on-the-job training, under the supervision of the specialists in the child sexual abuse program who will be centred in Iqaluit, Baker Lake, Fort Simpson and Inuvik, is planned. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Members' statements. Mr. Lewis.

Lack Of Banking Services In Nwt
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When we did our work as Members of the special committee on the northern economy and reported a couple of years ago to the 11th Assembly, one of the recommendations that we had was that one of the basic weaknesses in our economy was the provision of financial services. There were very few banks in the Northwest Territories, and people who did not have access to financial services were disadvantaged in our economy.

Some attempts have been made recently to try to access federal funding through the CAEDS, Canadian Aboriginal Economic Development Strategy, program. This has been stalled simply because no arrangement could be made whereby any kind of banking service can access this money simply because there is some fear about funding any kind of organization in which deposits are involved.

Mr. Speaker, over the next while, since many of us still believe that basic banking services are a major weakness in our economy, we will be using every kind of device possible to try to provide some kind of solution to this problem. We do not know exactly what it is, but this is a real problem which needs to be resolved, and I will be asking Members of the government to try to help us get it resolved. Thank you.

Lack Of Banking Services In Nwt
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The Speaker

Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat.

Banking Problem Within The Nwt
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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, have a statement further to the statement made by my colleague, Mr. Lewis. We, in the northern regions have so-called banking facilities through the Hudson's Bay stores and the co-ops. This is a big problem, especially when we want to transfer money outside of our communities. There has to be a resolution about the banking problem within the Territories. We have to improve our economy. A lot of our money is being spent outside the communities because of the lack of facilities. I will be asking about this further because there are other methods of providing banking facilities. This

problem, which was raised by Mr. Lewis, is something I wanted to add to. Thank you.

Banking Problem Within The Nwt
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The Speaker

Members' statements. Ms. Mike.

Abstention By Alcohol And Drug Counsellors
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to express my continuing concern over the so-called sobriety requirement which the Minister of Social Services has decided to force on alcohol and drug workers throughout the Northwest Territories.

Today I will speak about the content of this policy, in a later statement, I will express my concern about the Minister's implementation process. I have many difficulties with the entire concept, Mr. Speaker. There is no credible research to demonstrate that a policy of this nature actually leads to significant improvement in treatment outcome. The policy cannot be enforced, as neither the Minister nor the project sponsors wish to sneak around spying on workers to see if they are taking a drink.

The policy may be placing alcohol and drug project sponsors in a position where they may eventually become subject to human rights litigation in the courts. Most of all, I am opposed to this because it treats all alcohol and drug workers -- and anyone who takes a social drink from time to time -- as addicts who are incapable of being good role models. This sort of thinking is false and mistaken.

Mr. Speaker, our alcohol and drug project has worked very hard to establish itself as an effective resource agency within the community. The committee has a good working relationship with the addiction counsellors in the community. The standard for staff conduct and performance has been developed and is appropriate for our community.

Mr. Speaker, it has been demoralizing and frustrating for our people in Baffin to have the standards and working environment we established for our community overturned by the current Minister. Later I will have more to say about this process the Minister has used to force his ideas on us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Members' statements. Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard.

Further Return To Question O101-12(2): Proposed Park For Lake Harbour
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Pudlat on February 20, 1992. In reply to your question on the training process for tourism operators in the Baffin Region, the Department of Economic Development and Tourism, in conjunction with Arctic College, has developed a two-level guide training program. Level one courses cover all the universal skills of the tourism industry, including an introduction to tourism, marketing, first aid, camp set-up, trip planning, boat safety, menu preparation, et cetera. This course is also a prerequisite to the level two course. Level two courses cover more specific industry requirements. These include a course in sports fishing, a course in sports hunting and a course in interpreting natural and cultural resources. All courses are approximately three weeks in length.

Up until 1990, 62 people in the Baffin have successfully completed the level one course, with 38 of these also completing at least one of the level two courses. Today, 67 per cent are working as outfitters and guides throughout the region.

A three-week level one guide training course is planned to be delivered in Pangnirtung between April 13 and May 1. Residents of Lake Harbour have been encouraged to attend, and initial responses from the community have been favourable. Following completion of the mandatory level one course, a level two course in interpretation is being recommended for delivery out of Lake Harbour during 1993. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question O101-12(2): Proposed Park For Lake Harbour
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard.

Return To Question O105-12(2): Funding For Environmental Surveys, Sanikiluaq
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This question was asked on February 20 by Mr. Pudlat. It concerns funding to assist the environmental committees and residents of Sanikiluaq to deal with the environmental review of the Great Whale hydroelectric project. The Government of the Northwest Territories, through the Department of Renewable Resources, has provided a total of $25,000 to support the participation of the environmental committee and residents of Sanikiluaq prepare for the environmental review of the Great Whale hydroelectric project.

Specifically, the government has: 1) provided the Sanikiluaq environmental committee with $10,000 in 1990 to send representatives to meetings in Great Whale and Montreal; and 2) contributed $15,000 in the 1991-92 fiscal year to the hamlet of Sanikiluaq to support their involvement in preliminary meetings prior to the public review process and the availability of intervenor funding.

The government has also: 1) committed $15,000 over two years to support the cumulative impact study of the Canadian Arctic Resources Committee, Rawson Academy of Aquatic Sciences and the Sanikiluaq environmental committee. The Sanikiluaq environmental committee will take the lead in examining traditional knowledge of the area; and 2) retained the services of the Rawson Academy of Aquatic Sciences to obtain expert advice on water-related issues.

A fund of two million dollars, financed equally by the Government of Canada and Quebec, will be available to assist eligible parties or individuals in the assessment and review of the project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question O105-12(2): Funding For Environmental Surveys, Sanikiluaq
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Allooloo.

Return To Question O189-12(2): Highway Patrol Operations
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to the oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on February 27, 1990, with respect to vehicle accidents in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday, February 26, the day before yesterday, I reported that 73 per cent of all highway accidents occurred in the highway corridors of Highways No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3. Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, the Member for Deh Cho followed up on my report and asked me for the absolute numbers of accidents on the highway system.

The most reliable traffic accident data I can quote is for the calendar year 1989. In 1989, there were 995 traffic accidents reported in the Northwest Territories involving property damage over $1000. Of these, 829 occurred within a municipality and 166 took place on the highway system. As I said in the House, 73 per cent of these accidents, or 121, occurred on the Highways No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 corridor.

Although I am less confident with the data for the total number of traffic accidents in 1990 and 1991, the pattern of highway accidents does remain roughly the same as I reported. The highway corridor of Highways No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 accounts for 70 per cent of reported accidents in 1990 and 66 per cent in 1991. Thank you

Return To Question O189-12(2): Highway Patrol Operations
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker

Returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell, point of order.

Point Of Order

Return To Question O189-12(2): Highway Patrol Operations
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

I rise on a point of privilege today. Mr. Speaker, in reviewing the unedited Hansard, I am somewhat at a loss as to why I was cut off yesterday, and under what rule or authority this happened. I know I cannot question the authority of the Speaker, but I would ask that you review page 625, because I feel my fundamental privilege to pose questions in the House has been curtailed without clarification. Thank you.

Return To Question O189-12(2): Highway Patrol Operations
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker

I think this is a point of order, not a point of privilege, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. I will review Hansard and give a ruling later on today. Oral questions. Mr. Gargan.

Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Social Services. Mr. Speaker and honourable Members will remember that on February 13, 1992, I tabled Tabled Document 3-12(2) so that the House would be aware of the resolution passed by the Deh Cho Regional Council which supports the policy respecting the sobriety of alcohol and drug workers.

Some unwarranted criticism of this policy originally came from officials with provincial alcohol and drug administrations in southern Canada. Many of these officials have never been to the Northwest Territories. I realize that senior officials in the department's alcohol and drug division, as well as the community mental health services division, meet regularly with their counterparts in southern Canada. Will the Minister direct his officials to make a report to other alcohol and drug organizations about the success of this important policy? Thank you.

The Speaker

Mr. Whitford.

Return To Question O193-12(2): Informing Southern Alcohol And Drug Organizations Of Success Of Sobriety Policy
Question O193-12(2): Informing Southern Alcohol And Drug Organizations Of Success Of Sobriety Policy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the Member for the question because it does raise, in the department's mind as well, the fact that we are embarking on a very serious and positive undertaking. I think it is incumbent upon us to share the results with other persons because there is a lot of perceived controversy over this matter. There are different opinions on it. We certainly will be -- and I have already been -- speaking to Members from the Faculty of Social Services in Calgary on this matter. I will certainly be pleased to continue this dialogue. We will, indeed, share the success of this policy with our counterparts in southern Canada.

Return To Question O193-12(2): Informing Southern Alcohol And Drug Organizations Of Success Of Sobriety Policy
Question O193-12(2): Informing Southern Alcohol And Drug Organizations Of Success Of Sobriety Policy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan.