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Question O197-12(2): Expansion Of Alcohol And Drug Counselling Services
Item 5: Oral Questions

February 27th, 1992

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question of the Minister of Social Services. He indicated that no community would be without an alcohol and drug counsellor, and I know there are somewhat to the tune of 39 or 40 communities that have the availability of alcohol and drug counselling services. Does he intend to expand the services so that they could meet the needs of at least the 60 communities that we have in the North?

Question O197-12(2): Expansion Of Alcohol And Drug Counselling Services
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I wish we had the resources to meet everybody's needs and everybody's expectations. I think there are some 42 alcohol and drug treatment groups across the Territories. To this point, I think there are only about half a dozen that have yet to submit their 1992-93 requests for funding. There are other communities, however, Mr. Speaker, that want to establish an alcohol and drug treatment program within their communities.

There are a number of considerations to take, of course. There is the ability of the group to really come to grips with the problem in their community, and the ability of the community to pull a group together. I think when these factors are made known -- the department is working with those communities that are requesting the establishment of an alcohol and drug treatment group, working closely to advise them on what to do and how to do it, and we are also advising them the amounts of dollars we have available.

There is always, as we are unfortunately well aware, a shortage of dollars, and it does prevent, perhaps, establishing in each and every community. I may be over-optimistic, but I am very hopeful that at some point in time, Mr. Speaker, all the requests for alcohol and drug treatment groups can be established where there is need.

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The Speaker

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Recognizing that the intentions are that in the event that we had the resources, and if the community groups gathered together where they wanted to address the alcohol and drug program, is the Minister indicating to this House that where community groups can formulate a group to address alcohol and drug programs and request funding from him, that he does have the funding available? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this point in time we probably have more requests than we have dollars for. I do not have any additional moneys yet; however, Mr. Speaker, if tomorrow rolls around and there is a lack of acceptance by some communities, I think it is going to free up a few more dollars so that we may be able to provide additional funding on a one-time basis to look after some of the very tragic need of these communities to have people go to these treatment centres. There is a desperate cry out there, Mr. Speaker, for additional dollars for additional treatment, and I am contemplating very seriously that as the door closes on the acceptance of some of these resources, I should redistribute them to the communities that are showing active participation, Mr. Speaker, and support the intent and the spirit of the program.

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The Speaker

Oral questions. Mr. Gargan.

Question O198-12(2): Legal Questions With Regard To Sobriety Clause
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you. My question is to the Minister of Social Services. One of the problems that has arisen out of this sobriety clause is with regard to whether or not there is some litigation or some constitutional violation by this clause, and I am sure in order for the government to implement such a policy they must have had legal opinions on whether or not we are, in fact, infringing on rights or whether it is unconstitutional. I would like to ask the Minister whether he has had any opinions with regard to the sobriety clause, and whether there may be some legal questions that have to be addressed with regard to that.

Question O198-12(2): Legal Questions With Regard To Sobriety Clause
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, there have been many opinions expressed one way or the other on this, and I think it always comes down to the issue of rights, and they quote chapter and verse of the Constitution and of the Canadian Human Rights Act, and it goes on and on and on. But nowhere have I read where a person has the right to drink. You have rights to many things, but there is nothing in there that says a person has a right to drink. I do not think it is a right. It is more of a privilege, because this government dictates where you can drink. It dictates many things dealing with alcohol. It is, therefore, no longer a fundamental right as is being quoted from these many documents that are referred to, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Oral questions. Ms. Mike.

Question O199-12(2): Sobriety Clause Is Invasion Of Privacy
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Social Services. It might not be a right; it is a privilege. But when you have to extend the sobriety clause to an employee you are getting into the area of invasion of privacy. Do you agree?

Question O199-12(2): Sobriety Clause Is Invasion Of Privacy
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The Speaker

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, the department has no intention of invading people's privacy.

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The Speaker

Oral questions. Supplementary, Ms. Mike.

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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, it is good to know that the department has no plans to invade individuals' privacy, but how are we going to enforce this policy if one of the employees decides to be a closet drinker?

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The Speaker

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I certainly hope there are no closet drinkers within the alcohol and drug treatment program. I hope that the people who signed the agreement adhere to the agreement and recognize its benefits much more than its ability to test one Minister's right or one government's right to set conditions in trying to help the people in the North with the very serious problem in the North. I think we all here, Mr. Speaker, recognize the tragic consequences that alcohol has brought on to the people of the Northwest Territories. This department, through the former Minister and former government, has embarked on an undertaking to conquer a very serious problem by trying to convince people that...

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, point of order.

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The Speaker

Point of order, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Point Of Order

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, since that we on this side cannot ask questions with respect to the former government, I would suggest that the present government be prevented from referring to the former government or the former Minister. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

I will take the point of order under advisement and report back later today. Oral questions. Mr. Gargan.

Question O200-12(2): Support For Native Canadians As A Distinct Society
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs. The Government Leader has indicated that Mr. Kakfwi will be absent on March 3rd and 4th to attend the conference of provincial/territorial Ministers responsible for aboriginal affairs. I do not know what is on the agenda. A storm has arisen in Toronto at the constitutional conference about the request that aboriginal people should be recognized as forming a distinct society within the constitutional framework which divides Canada.

The National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations has rightly and properly indicated that Canada's native people cannot accept Quebec, being constituted as a distinct society as long as it does not recognize that we do too. Apparently, some of the provincial leaders in Quebec are regrettably unable to accept this position.

Will the Minister indicate to this House today, as the Northwest Territories Minister of Aboriginal and Intergovernmental Affairs, whether or not he supports the legitimate request of native Canadians to be recognized as a distinct society within the Constitution of Canada? Thank you.

Question O200-12(2): Support For Native Canadians As A Distinct Society
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Mr. Kakfwi.