This is page numbers 255 - 277 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Chairman, maybe the Minister is not understanding where I am coming from, but his department is developing a questionnaire, the main document that is going to be asked of every resident, say for example, in Rae-Edzo. His department is developing this questionnaire and they are going to go to each household and say, "Okay, what are your needs?", and it is going to be compiled. Now that work is being done by his staff. That is going to be developed. I am asking, "Could the community undertake that work on behalf of the Housing Corporation?" Let the community do the survey for them. I am asking, "Is that option available?" and the Minister is saying, "No, we are going to do it jointly." That is my understanding.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Mr. Minister.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I agree. We will do it jointly.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

So that option that I just indicated is not available, then. Right?

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Mr. Minister.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The option of the community doing the survey on behalf of the Housing Corporation with no Housing Corporation staff participating is not open to the community. Thank you.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

I will not flog this to death, Mr. Minister, but I do not agree with what the Minister is saying, that he wants to have his department hands-on, because my view is that the departmental staff at the community level have never done the needs survey study properly, and I will not feel confident, and the residents I represent will not feel confident, if that is the method the Minister is going to use.

Moving along, Mr. Chairman, on another issue in relation to capital. Mr. Chairman, we ran into problems last year in regards to contractors. It was in the newspaper, and so forth. I am making reference to Treeline Construction. I realize it is a new Minister in this portfolio, and a new president. I just want to ask them a general question. The corporation knows the problem that Treeline Construction has encountered in terms of the subtrades not being paid, and so forth. It touches a little bit on bonding. I know it is not any of these gentlemen's fault, but what are they doing so that we do not run into these same types of problems?

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At present we are looking at new types of bonding that could be available. Also, if we get approval from CMHC, we can apply the business incentives policy; and if cabinet approves the new business incentives policy, there is also a bonding issue in that. Thank you.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Thank you. Mr. Pudlat.

Purchase Price Of Northern Rentals

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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Chairman, can I ask a question to the Minister of the Housing Corporation? They have already said in regard to the northern rental houses that were built in 1962 -- I think their prices are too high when they are being bought by private people. They have to be renovated quite extensively, and they have already been renovated. Can there be research into the prices of older houses that were built in 1962? They are not all the same price for different houses, but people complain that the prices are too high. Some people who have applied for HAP houses are not able to get them. Can you find out if there is any discrepancy between the prices of the houses in the Baffin Region? Because the price of older houses in the Baffin Region are too high, and there have been several complaints in that regard. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The northern territorial rental/purchase program will provide tenants of those northern rental units built prior to 1975 the opportunity to purchase those units at a reasonable price. The corporation will determine the selling price of the unit. It is based on the original construction cost, the age, land cost, and improvements made to the unit. But it is supposed to be a reasonable price because every unit is different. If the unit is in worse condition than another, it is supposed to be cheaper.

If the Member has some specific concerns, we will be happy to address them because this program is supposed to assist people to get into their own homes. They are older units, and the key here is that they are supposed to be reasonably priced. If they are not, I would surely like to hear about it.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Mr. Pudlat.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to freight, it seems it is more expensive than what it was then; it was at a landed price at the time. I do not know how many have been buying these old houses, but these houses are old and have been renovated several times. They say the prices are too high. I understand your explanation that the price is fixed at the landed price.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Mr. Minister.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

I would like to take some time soon and sit down with the Member and address this issue, because these units are supposed to be reasonably priced. I will commit that we will look at it and see if we can get them back down to the proper price. So while the Member is still in Yellowknife, we will sit down and look into it. Thank you.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I made some earlier comments regarding rental rate schedules in the review. I would like to make a motion.

Motion To Conduct Review Of Rental Scale, Carried

I move that this committee recommends that the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation conduct a review of the public housing rent scale to ensure that affordable housing is provided to those in need.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

Thank you, Mr. Koe. Your motion is being passed out to the Members. The motion is in order. Mr. Koe, to the motion.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

I think I made my comments earlier. Thank you.

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The Chair James Arvaluk

To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.