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Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94
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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In 1993-94, the Department of Renewable Resources (End of translation) will continue to adjust its programs and services to respond to the changing needs of territorial residents. Although the mandate of the department remains the same, it is how we do the job that is changing. The need for employment opportunities, especially in the smaller communities where sustainable use of renewable resources has potential for growth, and the demand for cleaner

air, water and land by residents are the primary influences causing the changes.

The ratification of Nunavut and Gwich'in claims establishes new resource management systems. We want these new systems to be successful. Staff is being directed to assist resource management boards and communities to sustain and use renewable resources effectively.

We hope to use some of the implementation funds to improve our contact with communities. For example, we are presently developing a new program for training potential renewable resource officers for the Nunavut area. These added "eyes and ears" should help adapt departmental programs to be more sensitive to local needs.

Mr. Chairman, I support increased involvement of residents in resource management. I believe that the polar bear management agreements are an excellent example of co-management. The agreements are based on information provided by harvesters and scientists and are ratified by harvesters from communities who hunt a shared polar bear population.

In 1993-94, agreements for three more polar bear populations, that are only hunted by territorial residents, will be drafted. Greater effort is also being placed on developing agreements with polar bear populations shared with harvesters in Manitoba, Quebec and Greenland.

In the Liard area, we are working with communities to prepare a resource management plan for forests. If resource users are to continue to benefit from renewable resources, the management plans must accommodate their needs while maintaining the productivity of the resource. I have been very pleased with the enthusiasm, thoughtfulness and hard work the communities have shown. Together, I believe, we will take much better care of the resources we value so highly. Showing the rest of the world that we have effective resource management plans that maintain our animals and plant populations, will do more to counter anti-harvest lobbies.

We are also applying this approach to our forest fire management program. A review is currently being conducted to find ways to increase local employment and business opportunities and to ensure that we are using the most effective management techniques.

Depending on the fire season, this program can provide full-time, seasonal or casual employment for almost 1,000 residents. The majority of forest fire employees are affirmative action candidates. Additional residents are hired through contracts issued to various community corporations to provide forest fire management services.

In 1993-94, the department will stress the development of opportunities for residents to benefit from our renewable resources. A territorial fur strategy will be presented to the Legislative Assembly and the public to review and implement. A draft forest management policy will be distributed for public review. This should help establish priorities for forest uses, such as trapping, recreation and logging. The department will continue to represent the interest of residents in gaining more access to commercial quotas on marine fish resources. We will continue to conduct population surveys to respond to requests from communities that wish to harvest wildlife for outfitting or other commercial purposes.

The last service area we are changing is in response to the public's demand for clean air, water and land. The challenge is complex and requires national and international cooperation because most contaminants come from areas outside of the Northwest Territories. The department is involved in many programs that aim to monitor clean up and prevent the release of contaminants.

Independently, and in association with the Department of Health and federal agencies, the department is monitoring contaminants in the water, fish, wildlife, soil and air. Depending upon the study, samples are analyzed for the presence of pesticides, heavy metals, radioactive compounds and so on. These analyses can be very expensive and require specialized equipment. Through these studies, people can be kept advised of potential health problems. We also try to determine the origin of contaminants so that we can decide how to prevent the future release of the contaminants, if possible.

We have put a lot of effort in working with various programs of the federal government to clean up the northern environment. These efforts are a direct result of public requests. Programs include advising on priorities for clean up of abandoned military sites, dumps and chemical spills. We also provide technical assistance for communities to discard hazardous chemicals safely and to clean up garbage left at old campsites.

However, where the most amount of effort should be placed is in preventing the initial release of contaminants. That is why we are pushing to complete agreements on water quality and upstream neighbours. All parties are undertaking a legal review of the master agreements and we will be coordinating a meeting of western environment Ministers to recommit to this process. Five out of seven bilateral agreements are nearing finalization and we expect to sign an Alberta/NWT water quality agreement in the near future. As well, we are completing the drafting of regulations which will require contingency plans for any organization using contaminants. Emphasis is placed on public education to not be litterbugs and to reduce the volume of garbage by reusing and recycling.

Mr. Chairman, as Members review the proposed budget and activities of the Department of Renewable Resources for 1993-94, I welcome more suggestions for how we can improve our programs and services. We are conducting this work for the benefit of our children and their children. We must prove to them that we have done the best job possible in a short time and that we are responsible for the management of our forest, waters and wildlife. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Before I move to the Standing Committee on Finance, it is my pleasure to recognize Mr. Pete Fraser, a former Member of this House.

---Applause

Do we have a presentation from the Standing Committee on Finance? Mr. Dent.

Comments By Standing Committee On Finance

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a very short response. The Standing Committee on Finance is aware that the Department of Renewable Resources has previously developed a paper on the harvesters' support program. This program should be re-examined in light of developments in the TFN land claim and encouraging people to lessen their dependence on welfare.

The committee also noted that the Department of Renewable Resources had a relatively high degree of purchases from southern contractors, particularly in the area of fire suppression.

Therefore, I move that the Departments of Renewable Resources and Economic Development work together to encourage and facilitate northern businesses to supply a maximum amount of contract services required for fire suppression.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Your motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

I do not have a quorum at this time.

Mr. Dent, would you please read your recommendation again?

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I would be happy to make the motion again. I move that this committee recommends that the Departments of Renewable Resources and Economic Development work together to encourage and facilitate northern businesses to supply a maximum amount of contract services required for fire suppression.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, right now, much of the fire suppression is provided by the band-owned companies. That also includes Fort Providence and the Hay River Reserve. They have a negotiated five-year contract with regard to this particular initiative. Also, I believe Fort Simpson had it at one time, but it is out for contract, as it would reflect this motion itself. When you have a large contract for fire suppression, this opens the door to not only the local people, it provides for anyone who has a northern business to tap in and receive contracts. This takes business away from the local people. That is the only intent of this motion. I disagree with it strongly. I think the opportunity should be there for members of the community to negotiate with the government to supply fire suppression. I cannot support something such as this, that gives opportunity for people even in Yellowknife to bid on contracts to provide that service in Fort Providence. I disagree with that. I am not going to support this motion.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Patterson.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Chairman, I would like to respond to Mr. Gargan's concern as a Member of the Standing Committee on Finance. I think he will agree with the broad thrust of the motion, which is to maximize northern opportunities under fire suppression. I am sure he agrees with that fundamental thrust of the motion. Mr. Chairman, I would like to assure the honourable Member that this is not designed to divert opportunities away from the small communities. In fact, as I understand the business incentive policy, there are already preferences in place to give local and community bidders an advantage over any other bidder from outside that particular community, where the contracting opportunity takes place. It certainly was not our intention, in formulating this motion, to see the result the Member is concerned about realized. I would like to assure the honourable Member, the motion was intended to encourage the government to continue in its present direction, whereby we have a number of small communities taking good opportunities and maximizing opportunities from these contracts. There is no intention to do anything but continue on in that direction and encourage the government to maximize the opportunities even more. Thank you.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will add to what Mr. Patterson was saying. During committee meetings, we reviewed a number of contracts, which the department had let to southern firms in the course of the previous year and found that this department, in particular, had a high number where they were using southern contractors. The purpose here is to try and bring more business back to the Northwest Territories. The Standing Committee on Finance is on record saying that we support development of business opportunities in all communities across the north.

There is no intention, with this motion, of saying that it should be one community over another where the business opportunities would arise. We are saying that too many of the opportunities right now are being sent down south. Rather than that, we should see them repatriated to the north. We should see opportunities for northerners to get the jobs where it is possible. As Mr. Patterson had said, there is a northern and local preference policy, which this government already has, that should, in fact, ensure that local firms will gain an opportunity to be successful in these contracts. At the moment, if they are all going down south, the jobs are not kept in the north. I think the intent of this motion is not at odds with what the honourable Member for Deh Cho is hoping to see in his constituency. I think this supports the goal that he is after. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, if the Members were listening to the Minister's opening remarks, one of the initiatives of the department is with regard to the forest management policy. If the department is doing that and they are reviewing everything from helicopter operations, air, water bombers, operations, regional operations and suppression operations, then I have no problem with the department doing that.

If you are looking at specifically fire suppression, Mr. Chairman, then you are looking at local people who serve as fire fighters in that area. Most of the contracts in that area are to bands and locally owned band council corporations. It does not say anything about helicopter operations. It is specific in its intent. That is what I disagree with. I realize most of the contracts for catering and everything else including fire towers means there are still some areas in which southern people are hired. We have tower operations as well that we take care of in our own particular areas. I find it difficult to support only contract services required for fire suppression, because that is specific. Those are the services that have directly affected the local people. With regard to helicopter contracts and everything else, you are looking at a whole new thing. Those are the ones you should be addressing.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The term "northern businesses" implies native corporations. Although we do not have any fire suppression programs in my area, I support the motion because northern businesses also applies to native corporations. This is my understanding and opinion. Thank you.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. To the motion.

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Before we proceed to details, would the Minister like to bring in his witnesses? Mr. Allooloo.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Is this committee agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Please proceed, Sergeant-at-Arms. For the record, Mr. Minister, would you please introduce your witnesses.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Joe Handley, deputy minister and Mr. Rick Fiel, director of finance and administration. Thank you.

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