Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I do not know the date. I would have to get back to the Member with a precise date for completion of the report, but I know it has to be completed in 1993-94. Thank you.

I do not remember if I noticed it last year when it was budget time, but is this something that has been ongoing since the proposal of the Kiggavik mine?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department is using remote sensing units to determine the wildlife in that particular area. We have been doing it for a number of years and, hopefully, this year we will be able to get a report which will tell us what is in that particular area. Thank you.

Line by line.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of my favourite subjects is the utilization of renewable resources. I have raised questions and made statements over the year about the ability of this department to work and coordinate projects with other government departments in trying to establish projects or programs where we can use our natural resources and our people resources. I have mentioned before that in the area of renewable resources, fishing, the use of furs, the meat products that our people use and the bird population that we utilize, there is a tremendous resource out there that we are slowly starting to develop. In these areas, many of our people do not need much education. They need some specialized skills, but generally they know how to go on the land, they know how to work out of canoes and they know how to survive. In terms of technology required to prepare, address and preserve the wildlife for sale, not only to outside people but to our own restaurants and other northern residents, we do not seem to be making much headway. We have small projects here and there. Some are successful and go for a short time and then they close down and we do not follow-up on why or what happened. Many times we say it is marketing problems and that is it. There has been a tremendous amount of work done in this area and I feel that all the departments, Economic Development, your department and the Department of Health in terms of the inspection required for many of these products, including the department of Education and Employment Programs, can develop new programs and projects to make use of these resources. Over the years, through EDA and other programs, there have been many studies done and it leads me to wonder where all these studies are which were completed on the use of goose and duck feathers, the use of caribou hides, the use of just about every product, fish oil, seal oils and seal meats. There have been hundreds of studies done that must be stacked somewhere and we should start digging them out and spreading the knowledge around to give people something to do.

The other area I would like to talk about is the livelihood of trapping. There has been some very good statements made over the past week by my colleague, Jim Antoine, about the way of life that a trapper leads. That way of life seems to be slowly dying because it seems that the policies being developed by this government -- I know it is not only this government, it is international -- but we are implementing policies and program changes and the main one is the use of the quick kill trap. From the trappers I have talked to, the quick kill traps being used do not work. We have had professional trappers who have been in the bush all their lives coming back and giving up trapping in December, when it is prime trapping time, saying these traps are not working. Here we are, a government, and in November we ran out of these traps. When people were going out on the trap line, they could not get enough of these traps because there were not enough available. In that case, many trappers did not even bother to go out on their trap line. Yet, we have no way of compensating, no way of looking after these people other than sending them to the Social Services office and tell them to go on social assistance. I know many, what we call professional trappers, usually never go on social assistance in their lives as they are very independent, strong-willed individuals. It is a shame because of the policies or programs that we are putting in place, that these people are suffering and subsequently their families are suffering. It is negatively affecting the way of life of many of these people. I feel we should do something and do it quickly to try to instill some confidence in the trapping industry to help these trappers who used to go and live in the bush most of the winter and make a good living at it. From what they and other people have told me, they cannot and are not making a good living. I think it is up to us and the department to come up with some new initiative or something to assist them. I will leave it at that, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I agree with much of what Mr. Koe is saying. There have been a number of factors which come into play when you are trapping. When you are living off the land there are periods with low levels of animals, and also the environment comes into play quite a bit if you are relying on natural resources. This year, throughout the trapping area in the western Arctic, there has been a low population of animals and poor weather conditions. I was talking with trappers in Fort Simpson the day before yesterday and they are experiencing a number of difficult problems. Travelling this year is very difficult because of thin ice.

In our department we have a small amount of money for the demonstration projects.

Mr. Chairman, my point of order is to recognize the clock.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have a small amount of money in my department to allow a certain amount of demonstration projects. Hopefully, with this fur strategy, we will be able to come up with something to assist trappers, for large projects and continuing projects funding is the responsibility of Economic Development. We are here as managers. We will be there to set quotas and that sort of thing. We are here to help Economic Development, but we are not major players in this particular area. Thank you.

Item 20, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Chairman.

Seconded by Mr. Koe. The motion is in order.

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 21, third reading of bills. Item 22, orders of the day, Mr. Clerk.

Mr. Speaker, there will be a meeting of the full caucus at 9:00 am, tomorrow morning and of the Ordinary Members' Caucus at 10:30 am. Orders of the day for Tuesday, March 2, 1993.

1. Prayer

2. Ministers' Statements

3. Members' Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions

5. Oral Questions

6. Written Questions

7. Returns to Written Questions

8. Replies to Opening Address

9. Replies to Budget Address

10. Petitions

11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees 12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

13. Tabling of Documents

14. Notices of Motion

15. Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

16. Motions

17. First Reading of Bills

18. Second Reading of Bills

- Bill 8, Payroll Tax Act

19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Tabled Document 2-12(3), The Justice House - Report of the Special Advisor on Gender Equality

- Tabled Document 3-12(3), Report of the Commission for Constitutional Development

- Tabled Document 49-12(3), Long-Term Staff Housing Strategy

- Bill 5, An Act to Amend the Social Assistance Act

- Bill 12, An Act to Amend the Mental Health Act

- Bill 17, Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

- Minister's Statement 34-12(3), Long-Term Staff Housing Strategy

- Committee Report 10-12(3), Report on Tabled Document

21-12(3): Payroll Tax Act

- Committee Report 11-12(3), Report on the Review of the

1993-94 Main Estimates

- Appearance by Members of Commission for Constitutional Development

20. Report of Committee of the Whole

21. Third Reading of Bills

22. Orders of the Day

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until 1:30 pm, Tuesday, March 2, 1993.

---ADJOURNMENT