Mr. Speaker, the fact is there are many reasons why previous governments have chosen not to act on this particular strategy of getting the government out of staff housing and out of trying to set up a more equitable rent system across the territories. One of them, and I think all Members are aware, is that this undertaking is a huge, complex issue which involves trying to even out a situation which has taken 25 years to create. We have many factors and situations to consider. So, what would be fair to one sector may seem to be totally unfair to another. There is absolutely no way, in my mind, as I said yesterday, we could completely satisfy everyone at the initial phase of this initiative. I think it is wrong for the media and for the Members to create the illusion that we should wait until absolutely everything has been considered

and addressed before launching anything because that is precisely the reason that many governments before us have failed to stand up and address this issue. We have reached an achievement which we all agree on which is, the initiative is timely, it has to be done now and it has been sufficiently worked out so it is now acceptable to launch. We have done it in consultation with Members. It is my view that if we start making changes as early as January when Members became more initially indignant about many of the things we were suggesting, then I think we should have arrived today with the strategy totally in tatters. Strategically, there was merit and respect for due process that said wait until the session before changes were made. I think all Members are aware that had to be part of the plan. We would make changes as necessary because we know there is no way we could negotiate this launching of an initiative with the 100 per cent precision that some Members seem to indicate was possible.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday in jest I suggested I felt like Little Red Riding Hood because the Member started off by saying it should be absolutely clear that he agrees with the objectives of the strategy. He spent the following 20 minutes making it very clear that he would be totally happy when the strategy was discarded. I said, "Are you sure you are the grannie you say you are?"

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What big teeth you have, Dennis.

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Mr. Speaker, the government and the Legislature have gone through a long process to get this initiative deal through in a manner which has some dignity and some integrity. I would say that the day after the debate here and the day after the motion is passed and the government has made a response, that it does not exactly fit the mood for the Member to continue to ask for additional concessions. There should be some period of time to get this initiative under way, to give certainty to the employees, to the public and to the staff so they can get to work with a strategy and initiative that they know has been dealt with in this House. If in the course of the next few months there are additional issues which need to be dealt with in the view of the Members, then I think it is appropriate that it be brought up, but hardly the day after to be still badgering the government because the public will start to question if we have made up our minds or not. Are there still other subsequent motions which are going to come up requesting more changes? The Member asked specific questions which were not brought up earlier in the discussions. The motion has been passed and the government has made a response. I think it is fairly appropriate to suggest we should respect that, at least for a couple of days.

Mr. Speaker, the Members have been asking questions regarding a particular individual. I sense, from the questions, that the Members may feel this particular individual has received a fairly lenient sentence. There seems to be a strong implication. I will provide copies of the sentence, as it was handed down; the responsibilities and the decision on the placement of the individual; the rules regarding the time which people are supposed to spend in

cells, if they have to spend it in cells; what other privileges inmates may have regarding times for meals, education, physical exercise and other activities which are normally granted to people, regardless of their status in society; written rules regarding the conditions certain inmates can go about the community to perform certain jobs, whether they are required to be supervised and what type of supervision this would be; and, a written copy of what type of inmates are allowed out on their own and what type of activities, and specifically if inmates are allowed to attend an educational facility, who pays for the courses, who takes care of the transportation, whether they would be supervised in the classroom, and what other services available on the education campuses would be accessible to them to see if this would help the Members with the questions they are having. Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, the institution where the inmate is serving her sentence is a territorial government institution. The legislation which governs the operations within the institution is territorial legislation. The employees who run and manage the institution are territorial government employees. When the exchange agreement was made it was clear that if the federal government wished to have an exchange with us, it meant very clearly they would turn over inmates to us, under our responsibility, under our legislation, under our employees and under our laws. Thank you.