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Further Return To Question 431-12(3): Organize Competitions For Artists In The West
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Antoine on March 5, 1993, regarding competition for artists in the Northwest Territories.

Nunatta campus of Arctic College delivers a fine arts program in Iqaluit, and has recently organized a fine arts and crafts competition as an initiative to enhance the development of arts and crafts in Nunavut.

Through fund raising activities in Nunavut, Nunatta campus secured funds from the private sector to support the project and to sponsor the cash prizes. The competition categories included a broad range of arts and crafts from carving to drawing and printmaking, jewellery and silversmithing, photography and traditional crafts.

This is the first year that a fine arts and crafts competition has been organized by Arctic College. If this project is successful in Nunavut, the college may expand the competition to the western Arctic.

Further Return To Question 431-12(3): Organize Competitions For Artists In The West
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Allooloo.

Further Return To Question 518-12(3): Participation Of Nwt Athletes At North American Aboriginal Summer Games
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Zoe on March 17, 1993, concerning North American aboriginal summer games.

Mr. Speaker, I have some additional information to provide on this summer's North American indigenous games.

The second North American indigenous games will be held July 18 to 25, 1993, in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan. The first games were held in Edmonton in July, 1990.

Several teams from the Northwest Territories did participate in these first games in 1990, including men's and ladies' fastball teams from Fort Smith. The department provided grants to these teams to assist their travel costs. There were no formal trials to select an overall official Northwest Territories team, as such.

Mr. Speaker, the department has only received, to date, a couple of inquiries about the 1993 aboriginal games and we are not aware of any definite plans being made by any teams to participate.

The department does not have a program or any plans to select and send an official team to represent the NWT at these games, as it does to the Arctic winter games or Canada games. The department is prepared, however, to consider support similar to that given to teams that participated in 1990.

Mr. Speaker, sport in the Northwest Territories is the envy of many jurisdictions. Our individual sport organizations, our Sport North Federation and the various competitions and major athletic games we support place heavy emphasis on providing participation opportunities for our aboriginal people. Perhaps that is why there is less need to establish or support separate competitions. However, we have supported and will continue to support these groups that have been organized to promote aboriginal games, such as the various regional Inuit and Dene games associations and the NWT Arctic sports association.

The department will speak to these regional Inuit and Dene games associations and to the NWT Arctic sports association to see if they have plans to support or organize participation in these 1993 indigenous games. We are certainly prepared to work with these groups and to also consider any direct requests, as we did in 1990.

Mr. Speaker, I understand that most of our regional Inuit and Dene games groups have made plans for their own traditional games celebrations, held each summer. Our Sport North Federation is also in the final stages of preparing for the NWT's preparation in August at the 1993 Canada summer games. however, within this schedule, the department is ready to assist where there is interest in participation in the 1993 indigenous games. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 518-12(3): Participation Of Nwt Athletes At North American Aboriginal Summer Games
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 496-12(3): Wood Prices For Senior Citizens
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Lewis on March 15, 1993, regarding wood prices for senior citizens.

The price of $55 per cord of wood for senior citizens applies to all senior citizens, regardless of where they reside, but anyone who purchases wood is responsible for the transportation of it. Thank you.

Return To Question 496-12(3): Wood Prices For Senior Citizens
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. I would like to recognize in the gallery, the Mayor of Iqaluit, Mr. Charlie Ruttan.

---Applause Item 5, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

March 17th, 1993

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Justice. Mr. Speaker, there has been some concern expressed from my constituency with respect to the corrections division's intention to change the River Ridge facility, which is a maximum secure institution, into an open custody facility and, apparently, the secure facility in Hay River will be considered to become a maximum secure institution. Since these decisions have come about unexpectedly, I would like to ask the Minister whether the Minister can indicate the reasons for what I believe to be a costly and unnecessary program adjustment. Thank you.

Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the staff at the River Ridge Secure Facility have been notified that as of April 5, they must be ready to house young offenders. The two other young offender facilities in Hay River and Iqaluit were designated some time ago, in January, to be open custody programs where young offenders could stay. River Ridge is the last to be designated as an open custody. There are no renovations required to allow an open custody program to be carried out in River Ridge. The Member was correct when she stated the facility was not intended for open custody when it was originally built. At that time, there was felt to be some need for secure custody bed space. Now that the number of secure custody beds across the territories exceeds the number needed, there is some flexibility in how present facilities can be used.

The occupancy rate for secure custody facilities as a whole is about 65 per cent. The River Ridge facility has had a very low occupancy rate. It currently has space for 14 and is only occupied by five young offenders. There are 19 staff at River Ridge. Mr. Speaker, the intent of our short-term remedy to the situation is to make better use of the staff we have, which is 19 people. They are already very well trained and there is very good morale. The facility is in excess of $2.5 million and just sitting there vacant most of the time. We have to take whatever measures we can to make use of existing facilities. The sense is that we can make better use of it as an open custody facility.

The present young offenders who are there can be out of River Ridge by the end of this month or early in April. With a short break for some training for the staff, we can have open custody sentenced offenders in River Ridge by early April. Thank you.

Return To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I recognize the government's intention of trying to make sure they fully utilize a facility. The concern I have is the government is now intending to utilize a facility for the wrong program. I fully support the government's intention of trying to maximize the use of facilities, providing it is for the proper program delivery. The Minister has indicated that this particular facility will now be switched over from a maximum secure institution, to an open custody type of institution. Recognizing the bed space available, and keeping in mind, Mr. Speaker, that the trend for corrections fluctuates, I can say that correctional centres are probably over loaded in the winter, and under utilized towards the spring. That has always been the trend in my experience. I would like to ask the Minister whether any needs assessment studies, program reviews or strategic plans were done to examine whether this change was needed? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, we had originally suggested that another open custody facility be opened up in Hay River. As Members know, for a number of reasons we closed that option. The cost of opening a new facility would be in excess of $300,000. In the short-term, it is our view that by turning the River Ridge facility into an open custody facility is the best use of that facility at this time.

There are only two classifications for institutions for young offenders that I am aware of. As far as I know there is no such thing as a maximum secure facility for young offenders. There is either a secure facility or an open custody facility. As the Member knows, River Ridge is a very over built facility with a door which is locked every five feet and has very little human element to it from the inside, but it can be used by removing the number of locks and trying to open it up more. Perhaps, the use of it as an open custody facility will make better use of our limited facilities at this time. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, it has always been my understanding that there are three categories of young offenders, according to the Corrections Act. Mr. Speaker, what I am concerned about is, I would like to ask the Minister in looking at the Justice budget again, there did not seem to be any particular funding identified for renovations. These renovations from changing a fairly maximum secure institution to an open custody would mean the idea of taking out all these locked doors and trying to take the control centre, making many changes to the facility. I would like to ask the Minister, does he know what renovations will be necessary to transform the River Ridge facility into an open custody setting, recognizing that I am sure he has been through that facility himself? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there are no plans to renovate any of the facilities. The fact is, this is seen at this time as a temporary measure. Over the next few months the Department of Justice is planning to get more into the long-term planning to make better use of the facilities we have, to target how to maximize the use of the present facilities we have without having to build different facilities in other communities without first reassuring that the facilities which have been built so far are being used to the best advantage possible. At this time, the River Ridge facility is -- I will not say extremely under utilized -- but it has been consistently under utilized. With the number of staff we have, we think rather than closing down a facility or laying off staff, this gives security to the employees in River Ridge. It will keep morale up, they are being challenged to meet a need that the government has. I am certain they will do a good job. There are no plans to do anything to make the staff uneasy about their future security as employees. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Final supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not know about the idea of keeping the morale up on the staff because I met with the staff over the weekend and I believe it is going to affect their morale. Mr. Speaker, it appears to me the Minister of Justice does not fully understand the types of security and the responsibilities of the Department of Justice under the Corrections Act with respect to young offenders. I do not believe the Minister fully comprehends the Young Offenders Act to recognize his full responsibilities. The Minister says there will be no renovations. I know you cannot keep an open custody in what is designated as a maximum secure institution, and that is exactly what River Ridge is. There are going to have to be renovations to the Hay River facility. As he has said, the young offenders will transferred to the Hay River facility. I would like to ask the Minister, the expenditures which he is proposing are not in the budget and there will have to be renovations made, whether he realizes this or not. Can he review the act, recognizing his responsibilities and ensure those facilities would be used for their designated purposes to deliver the programs they were intended for? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the acts are clear. Either you provide a secure custody or open custody facility. There is no such thing as a maximum secure custody for young offenders. Those ring more of penitentiaries which have been built in more backward years. The programs we provide are the ones which are most important in these cases. The security is not designated so much by the number of locked doors that we have but it is reflected a little bit in that particular facility. What we have more of, is the supervision that these young offenders have and the level of training that the staff who are provided to secure facilities and open facilities have. It is my understanding that secure facility staff are, generally, much more trained and can more readily handle open custody young offenders than the other way around. My information is that there is no need for renovations, we can use the existing facilities as they are. The Hay River facility has already been designated and now we are redesignating for immediate use the River Ridge facility as an open custody facility. It does not have that much to do with the physical as much as the program and the level of supervision which we provide to these young offenders.

Further Return To Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Question 520-12(3): Plans To Make The River Ridge Facility Open Custody
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Dent.

Question 521-12(3): Consultation With The Strength At Two Levels Working Group
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Premier. Yesterday, my colleague for Inuvik asked a question regarding the transfer of the parks division to Renewable Resources. The Premier indicated this was not a new issue. I assume with that answer she is referring to recommendations contained in the Strength at Two Levels report or, perhaps, the Commissioner's task force on administration, which took place in 1979.

Mr. Speaker, I thought the government had committed to a consultative process on departmental consolidation for transfers. At what point had the government planned to involve the Strength at Two Levels working group in the consultation?

Question 521-12(3): Consultation With The Strength At Two Levels Working Group
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Madam Premier.

Return To Question 521-12(3): Consultation With The Strength At Two Levels Working Group
Question 521-12(3): Consultation With The Strength At Two Levels Working Group
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, it was to be part of our meeting Wednesday, because we had an open afternoon. However, we are re-scheduling the meeting. We were going to have it on the agenda. The Legislative Assembly decided to meet on Wednesdays rather than leaving that period open. I have to re-schedule the meeting. We were going to discuss that at that time.