This is page numbers 211 - 238 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was information.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Do we have the agreement of the committee that Mr. Chairman of the Standing Committee on Legislation wishes to conclude the report on the review of Bill 6? Do we have the agreement?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair John Ningark

Make a motion, please. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As stated in the standing committee report on the review of Bill 6, the committee is concerned that a percentage of the population will not have equal access to information unless they are able to pay a prescribed fee for the translation of the documents.

The committee is aware that it is not possible to translate every record held by the government, however the committee feels that if it is in the public interest for the translation to be prepared, then the document should be given to the person within a reasonable period of time.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Therefore, the standing committee moves that the Government of the Northwest Territories consider amending Bill 6 to allow for the translation of records into the official languages of the Northwest Territories without a prescribed fee if the translation is deemed to be in the public interest.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Gargan. I'm informed that the motion should read "Therefore, the committee of the whole moves..." The motion is being made in the committee of the whole. The motion is in order. To the motion. Do we have a quorum? The motion is in order.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair John Ningark

Question is being called. All those in favour of the motion, please signify. All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Does the committee agree that the Committee Report 4-12(6) is concluded?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The committee Members have agreed previously that we would move to Bill 6. Do we have the agreement that we deal with Bill 6?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi, do you have the opening remarks as the Minister responsible for this bill?

Minister's Introductory Remarks

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, the Department of Justice tabled the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act earlier this session. It was modelled on legislation recently passed or introduced in other Canadian jurisdictions. The department followed most of the recommendations made by the Standing Committee on Legislation, which undertook an extensive review and consultation process and tabled a most useful report on March 16, 1993.

The standing committee has reviewed the draft bill prepared by the department and has reported on their findings. A number of changes were recommended by the committee to which I, as the Minister of Justice, have expressed approval.

To briefly summarize the legislation, it covers both access to information and protection of privacy and contains five basic components.

- the right of access given to any person to the records in the custody and control of the government, subject only to limited and specific exceptions;

- the manner in which the government may collect personal information from and about individuals is controlled; the use that the government may make of that information is controlled; and the disclosure of that information by government is controlled;

- individuals, subject to specific exceptions, have the right to obtain access to information about themselves held by the government;

- individuals have the right to request corrections to information about themselves held by government; and,

- decisions made by the government under the legislation will be reviewed by an independent Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Commissioner.

In the case of requests for information or correction of personal information, the request would be made by the individual directly to the department which has custody of the records in question. The department reviews the request and responds to the request within the set time frame by:

- responding as requested;

- referring the request to another department which has custody of the record;

- advising that an extension is required because of the character of the request;

- indicating that certain costs will be incurred because of the scope of the request;

- advising that all or part of the information requested will not be provided because it falls within an exception under the act;

- providing all the information requested; or,

- providing part of the information requested with the excepted parts severed from the records.

The individual, if dissatisfied with the response of the department, may file a complaint with the Access to Information and Privacy Commissioner, who may review and report on the matter. Where the Commissioner disagrees with the department and recommends corrective action, the department must take the recommendation into account. If the department rejects the recommendation, the department must advise the Commissioner and all parties of the decision.

The Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Commissioner does not have the power to overrule the department. The government has operated on the assumption that if the office of the Commissioner is created, the duties of the Commissioner could be expanded to include the duties of a territorial ombudsman at minimal extra cost. The ombudsman traditionally has the power to make recommendations to government, but not to order compliance.

It should also be noted that the Commissioner reports to the Legislative Assembly and if departments choose to reject the recommendations of the Commissioner, the Minister would be accountable to the Assembly. There is always, of course, a recourse to the courts if the Minister makes a decision which is unlawful.

The act, like counterparts in other jurisdictions, would provide for judicial review of certain decisions made under the act.

The exceptions that define when information may not be released are similar to those described in other legislation in Canada. These exceptions include information which is sensitive because it describes or concerns the interests of third parties. People sometimes overlook that this kind of legislation is designed not only to give individuals access to government records, but also to ensure that, in some cases, access to records is not given because it would interfere with the rights of third parties.

The most important of these third-party exceptions relate to personal information about a person and sensitive business and commercial information. The release of this information could cause harm and all access to information and protection of privacy legislation provides protection against this.

The act does not apply to the office of the Legislative Assembly or the office of a Member of the Legislative Assembly, or a Member of the Executive Council, and a department must not release information which would reveal a confidence of the Executive Council, including advice and recommendations to the Executive Council and agendas and minutes of meetings of the Executive Council. This is standard in all jurisdictions, but the scope of the exemption may vary across jurisdictions.

For the time being, the act will only apply to records in the custody of the Government of the Northwest Territories, and will not extend to municipal governments. This is consistent with the recommendation of the Standing Committee on Legislation. It will be important to build up the experience in the government before contemplating an extension to municipal governments.

The act would not come into effect for two years after passage, in order to give the time for the government and individual departments to prepare for implementation, and especially to prepare the directory of information that is maintained by the government.

The Standing Committee on Legislation recommended that a system of community assistance be a factor of the access to information system in the NWT, and the government provided for this in the estimate of costs which was tabled with this bill. The government is recommending a system whereby individuals in the community would be paid on a fee-for-service basis. This will ensure that people at the community level will be able to use the system.

Mr. Chairman, I would be pleased to answer any questions with the assistance of my staff, if you agree. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, very much. Before we move on to general comments, I would like to ask the Standing Committee on Legislation, who reviewed the bill, if they have any further comments on Bill 6. If not, I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Justice if he would like to bring in the witnesses before we proceed with general comments.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Yes, Mr. Chairman. Shall we move to the table?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi indicated that he wishes to bring in his witnesses. Do we have the agreement of the committee that we bring in the witnesses?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair John Ningark

Sergeant-at-Arms, would you bring in the witnesses?

Thank you. For the record, Mr. Minister, would you introduce the witnesses to the committee.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On my left is the deputy minister of Justice, Don Avison. On my right is Mark Aitken from the legislation division, and the director of policy of the Department of Justice, Mr. Gerald Sutton.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The floor is now open for general comments. Mr. Koe.

General Comments

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Fred Koe Inuvik

I would just like, Mr. Chairman, through you, to ask the Minister if he could provide us with a text of his opening remarks. He used so many technocratic words in it, that it would be nice to have it in front of us to refer to.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Minister, would you make a copy of your opening remarks available to the Members? Are they readily available now?

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The Chair John Ningark

General comments. Mr. Arvaluk.

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James Arvaluk Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have no objection to the bill that is in front of us, Bill 6, as a whole. I just want everybody to be clear about the intent of this bill. Different committees, the Finance committee and the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions, were saying that the government will not have sufficient funding to provide for this legislation, if passed. I think we should be focusing on spending our money on projects that more directly involve the residents of the Northwest Territories.

Going through this bill and the comments from the Legislation committee, it has no application to my constituents. Even if it is translated into Inuktitut, my mother or her friends who are unilingual, will not be able to read it. I am elected and have to assist my constituents. I try to keep them advised about the activities of the government, whether it has to do with housing projects, policing in the communities or with the people who come from down south up to our communities during the summer and how they affect the communities. Even if we don't have the bill in front of us, or it comes into law, we wouldn't have too much use for it, because I can bring those items up.

I am aware that maybe it will be useful for the Union of Northern Workers, for media and will probably be useful for southerners who come up north to do construction who are outside of the Northwest Territories. We saw the editorial in News/North, as Brian Lewis stated before about the article on the salaries of the MLAs and it wasn't true. It was included in there about my constituency travel, assistance I get for accommodation and for per diem. They are not just coming into my pocket. I use them on accommodation and travel. We have a great concern about funding, and because I am a representative for Aivilik and try and represent the people of Nunavut, I am sure, if we get funding, that funding can be put to a better use because it will probably be spent in order to build houses in Coral Harbour. The funding that could be put into a more useful area would be spent here. (Translation ends)

I would not be opposing the general content of this legislation if we were rich as a government, but at this time, my constituency has no use whatsoever for this bill. That's why they are using me, as an MLA, to deal with the government and the government programs on a daily basis. I do not need this bill to do that. This is good for the Union of Northern Workers, for the news media. You saw the editorial in the News/North telling me that I was making approximately $98,000. I wish I had that kind of salary. Mr. Brian Lewis already mentioned it. That was very good.